Re: [CAT23-Ngame] A rules questions

Then Realpolitik has a bug.  Rule 1 states that support is possible without 
regard to coast.  Rule 2 talks about the support being legal if the 
province, *not* the coast, could be moved to by the supporting unit.  The 
two rules are consistent, and are not limited by coasts.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luis" <[email protected]>
To: "Babak Talebi" <[email protected]>
Cc: "1200group" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; 
"Douglas Kent" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CAT23-Ngame] A rules questions


> Void. Gascony does not border Spain/sc and you can only support into
> provinces you are able to move in directly; for fleet puprposes, that
> affects to "semi-provinces" (coasts) too. Would it be A Gas S... then it
> would be perfectly valid.
>
> In doubt (and only for Standard Dip), run Realpolitik and see what
> happens. In this case it's void.
>
> Luis.
>
>
> Babak Talebi wrote:
>
>> Friends -
>>
>> Two dip players of some experience have come to a disagreement on a rules
>> question. If you could shed light on this situation, it would be most
>> appreciated.
>>
>> *The Situation:*
>>
>> F Por to Spa(sc)
>> F Gas S F Por to Spa(sc)
>>
>> *The Question:*
>> **
>> is the order for F Gas *Void* or *Valid*
>>
>> *The Rules:*
>>
>> On page 7 in the 4th edition of the rules (
>> http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf
>> <http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf>) two
>> relevant quotes can be found...
>>
>> 1) "A fleet that can move to a province with two separate coasts (A fleet
>> in the Mid-Atlantic for example) can support another Army or Fleet
>> into that
>> province (in this case Spain) without regard to separate coastlines." 
>> (2nd
>> paragraph - 2nd column)
>>
>> 2) "The province to which a unit is providing support must be one to 
>> which
>> the supporting unit could have legally moved during that turn.
>> ...Likewise a
>> Fleet in Rome could not support a unit's move to Venice because, although
>> adjacent by land, the Fleet can not move to Venice from Rome." (1st
>> paragraph - 2nd column)
>>
>> *The Arguments:*
>> **
>> one reading of these rules is that "If you can move to a province you can
>> support ANY action in that province. period". ie - the fleet in Gas can
>> support Por to Spa(sc) because it can itself move to Spa thus making the
>> support order *Valid*.
>>
>> the second reading is that since Spa(sc) is not a province that the
>> supporting unit (F Gas) 'could have legally moved' to, it is thus an
>> illegal
>> support and therefore *Void*.
>>
>> I leave this earth-shattering question to these august bodies of wisdom 
>> on
>> Cat23 and look forward to reading various judicious opinions on the
>> matter. Has this been resolved elsewhere?
>>
>> I am told by my fellow diplomacy player that he is 100% positive of his
>> position and since I hold him and his experience in high regard, I am
>> inclined to agree with him - but felt that due to my minor doubt, I 
>> should
>> consult with the rest of the village elders first. (ps. I still have not
>> told you all which position I have taken in this)
>>
>> Babak
>>
>> .
>>
>>
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