Re: 1096 Sengoku Spring 1584 results

Sure you can retain that SC with the support of Shimazu, even you two=20
may be able to capture Echizen (not sure). But at that point there's a=20
stalemate line (I believe) - the one I was refering to. I may be wrong=20
about that (you should know better about these subtleties) but it's=20
clear that the Western front of WWI was quite dynamic in comparison to=20
this. I am 100% for draw or concession or anything.

As you mention the desing of the game, in which I'm sure that you have=20
spent a lot of time, I have a couple of questions:

   1. Why are the four central powers so much in contact with each
      other? It makes it naturally difficult to create any sort of
      alliance among them. Takeda and Hojo particularly seem to be very
      weakened by their direct contact that forces them to trust each
      other too much.
   2. Why haven't you drawn more sea provinces, so the land stalemate
      lines can be surrounded by naval activity. Those elongated sea
      provinces act as barriers to fluent maneouvrability. It's probably
      historically inacurate to make the feudal wars of Japan a naval
      affair, but, on the other hand, redrawing the naval borders would
      possibly make the game more playable.

So far my thoughts.

Luis.


Hester, Benjamin T CPT USA USAREUR 7A escribi=F3:
> It's not a stalemate yet.  I just gained an SC - and believe I can=20
> hold it.  Moreover, the so called line can be broken in several places=20
> if you look closely.  I designed this variant, and I have tested it=20
> extensively to ensure this doesn't have to happen.  You may have to=20
> risk losing an SC at certain points to commit the necessary forces,=20
> but the line can be broken through - in either direction.  Everyone=20
> loves to point out that Japan makes a linear map, but I took great=20
> care in drawing the borders to where overwhelming force can be placed=20
> on key locations from either direction - Omi for example.  South=20
> Shinano, Kanto Sea, and Wakasa Bay for three more examples.  To get up=20
> into Ise (which made the difference in seizing Omi), I had to pull=20
> forces away earlier from defending Iga and the critical Kanto Sea,=20
> which I lost in turn.  Time will tell if that was smart or not.  The=20
> point being - those are the kind of risks you have to take in Sengoku.=20
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> However - two points of interest in this game has been noted - the=20
> victory count of SCs is high, and the no-draw rule can make the=20
> endgame tedious.  I will take these into account and possibly revise=20
> the variant after this game.  Similar observations came up from other=20
> players who played various renditions of Sengoku, but most liked the=20
> variant overall.  Please note though - that the PLAYERS can vote on=20
> and approve a draw - I just placed the burden of selecting a Shogun on=20
> the GM for historical accuracy.  They players may consider it a draw=20
> if they wish.
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> Chosokabe-san
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> Benjamin T. Hester
> CPT, QM
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Luis [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Mon 5/1/2006 1:41 AM
> *To:* Stephen Worthy
> *Cc:* Robert O'Neill; Mike Morris; Joseph Schmidt; Henri Bodart;=20
> cat23-1000; Hester, Benjamin T CPT USA USAREUR 7A; Adam Levy;=20
> [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: 1096 Sengoku Spring 1584 results
>
> I would like the leading daymios to agree who's the winner if any.=20
> Else, an considering that the game has too many stalemate lines,=20
> sepacially the one we are on right now, I suggest a 4-way or even a=20
> 3-way draw, even if the rules of the variant don't provide for it. In=20
> this sense we could name Shogun a player that has no centers anymore,=20
> so we fulfill the formality.
>
> I'm really tired of positional waste of time without diplomacy but the=20
> fact is that there's a stalemate line and the blocs are too solid to=20
> change things. So the draw seems the only available exit. If we can't=20
> agree to a Shogun, let's divivide Japan, make it an Italian-stayle=20
> parlamentary republic or sell the island to a western power in=20
> exchange of some sun-bathed atoll.
>
> The question is that the game won't surely move much from where we are=20
> now.
>
> Luis.
>
> Stephen Worthy escribi=F3:
>> GM NOTE:
>> The proposal is defeated.
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>> DEADLINE:
>> Fall 1584 Friday 5th May
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>> WEBSITE:
>> http://www.geocities.com/stephen_worthy/GM17.html
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>> RESULTS:
>> Shimazu:
>> A Bitchu - Bizen
>> A Harima Supports A Tamba
>> F Inaba Supports F Wakasa Bay
>> F Iwami Supports F South Sea of Japan
>> F Izumo Supports F Wakasa Bay
>> F Korea Strait Supports F South Sea of Japan
>> F South Sea of Japan Supports F Wakasa Bay
>> A Tamba Supports A Ise - Omi
>> A Tango - Echizen (*Fails*)
>> F Wakasa Bay Supports A Tango - Echizen (*Cut*)
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>> Chosokabe:
>> A Ise - Omi
>> F Kii - Iga
>> F Kii Strait Supports F Osaka Bay - Kii
>> F Osaka Bay - Kii
>> A Settsu Supports A Tamba
>> F Tosa Bay - Kanto Sea (*Fails*)
>> A Yamashiro Supports A Ise - Omi
>> A Yamato Supports F Kii - Iga
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>> Oda:
>> F Atsumi Bay Supports A Owari - Ise (*Fails*)
>> A Echizen - Omi (*Disbanded*)
>> F Kanto Sea Supports F Mikawa - Iga (*Cut*)
>> F Mikawa - Iga (*Fails*)
>> A Mino Supports A Echizen - Omi
>> A Owari - Ise
>> F Totomi - Mikawa (*Fails*)
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>> Uesugi:
>> A Etchu - Kaga
>> A Hida Supports F Kaga - Echizen
>> A Izu Hold
>> F Kaga - Echizen
>> A Kai Hold
>> A Musashi Hold
>> F North Sea of Japan Supports F Sea of Japan
>> A North Shinano - Etchu
>> F Noto - Wakasa Bay (*Fails*)
>> F Pacific Ocean Supports F Kanto Sea
>> F Sea of Japan Supports F Noto - Wakasa Bay
>> F Totomi Sea Supports F Kanto Sea
>>=20=20
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