[freeciv-data] Re: Re: Fixes and additions for nation files

On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 01:25:48PM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> Paul Zastoupil <[email protected]>:
> > > From my recent reading, men of Gondor are (after a fashion, I guess, by
> > > teh time of LoTR) Dunedain.
> > 
> > Yes.  But I didn't want to get nit-picky with ESR :)
> 
> That's OK, I'll pick nits right back at you.  The Gondorians don't
> describe themselves as Dunedain in the books. :-)

Wheee :)

But Aragorn was called Dunedain, "Man of the west".  Since the blood
of the Gondorians (and any reminent Arnorians) was from Numenor, in
the west... Its not a far leap.  If we could agree they were Edain,
then they were also Dunedain.

>  
> > FWIW, I created the Freeciv Dunedain and Mordor nations.  They were
> > really just for use with the modpack, but I thought they spiced up the
> > game too.  If you look at the civserver logs, you'll find the Dunedan
> > are one fot the most popular nations :)
> 
> Hmmmm....
> 
>   "Barad-Dûr", "Durthang", "Orodruin", "Morannon", "Dol Guldur",
>   "Minas Morgul", "Cirith Ungol", "Moria", "Angmar", "Gorgoroth",
>   "Morgai", "Nurn", "Khand", "Rhûn", "Harad", "Dagorlad", "Ephel Dúath",
>   "Ered Lithui", "Emyn Muil", "Núrnen", "Poros", "Harnen", "Lugbúrz",
>   "Angband", "Carn Dûm", "Utumno", "Amon Amarth", "Uruk-hai", "Olog-hai",
>   "Azog", "Bolg", "Gorbag", "Shagrat", "Grishnákh", "Glamhoth"
> 
> OK, so I'll swallow the non-Mordor locations; the above is really a
> list of Middle-Earth's evil places.  But why the heck did you name
> Mordorian cities after races and individual orcs?  I think this list
> should stop at "Amon Amarth", really.
> 
> You could add "Thangorodrim", Morgoth's citadel in the First Age.  And,
> arguably, "Orthanc".

Yes, this is a problem.  Have you actually played a game of Freeciv
with an experienced player?  This list is still MUCH too short.  So you
can see the dilemma.  Its more of a "theme" as you have pointed out.
Feeling evil yet? :)

This same problem applies to the Dunedain, so you see many city names
are Numenorean, some from Gondor, some from Arnor etc.


(I don't know if you're on the list, so I'm replying and CC'ing the
list.)

-- 
Paul Zastoupil