Re: model draft

I fully agree that we need new authors to speed up the technical
updates. Whatever it takes to make this happen is ok by me. 

I will continue to try to be at least peripherally involved and have
told Joel that I'm willing to do the logistical stuff to get the I-D
published.

Regards,
Ellen

-----Original Message-----
From: Forwarding and Control Element Separation
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Wang,Weiming
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: model draft

Ellen,
I don't think it is a right way to remove you from the list, saying we
want to speed the work. I strongly suggest you keeping as one of editors
for the model document. As I mentioned before in some case, I do hope
you and Joel  be as editors while all others as authors been listed. We
do need to add some newers to the authors list so as to speed the
technical updates. This could happen either right now or after a while
by actual contributions.

Just my 2 cents, and hope Chairs and model team decide it asap.

thanks,
weiming
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Deleganes, Ellen M" <[email protected]>

> I'm also fine with having my name removed from the author's list - and
I'm
> also sorry that I haven't been able to help Joel and he got left
holding the
> bag.
> 
> Regards,
> Ellen
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forwarding and Control Element Separation
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Yang, Lily L
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:40 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: FW: model drasft
> 
> As one of the original authors on this long overdue draft, I am
totally for
> having new people to push this to completion. I've already
communicated this
> to Patrick yesterday but seeing some questions from the mailing list
makes
> me want to share my thoughts with everyone on the list.
> 
> I am sorry that I have not been able to keep up with the model draft
for the
> last 2 years and I am not proud of that. So, I am perfectly ok to have
my
> name removed so that new people can be added.
>  
> Go for it and get it done please!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Lily
> 
> P.S. This shows the problem of having IETF work item taking too long
to
> complete -- people are moving in and out of a project for their
company much
> faster than the IETF pace. While I would love to continue
contributing, the
> reality of having a totally different and demanding day job does not
allow
> that in reality. Not to give myself and others an excuse, but it is a
hard
> reality that we have to acknowledge and deal with it effectively in
IETF. I
> am glad Patrick is addressing it now.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Droz [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:33
> To: Yang, Lily L
> Cc: Joel M. Halpern
> Subject: Re: model drasft
> 
> Hi Lily,
> 
> I am very glad that we are on the same page!
> 
> Many thanks for the clarification,
> Patrick
> 
> Yang, Lily L wrote:
> > Patrick -- No, I was not being sarcastic at all. (This is the
problem with
> > email communication -- there is no other cues you can rely on). I
really
> > think it is a good idea. I've felt bad that Joel is the only one who
is
> > pulling the cart right now and I do like to see more new people
helping
> him.
> > 
> > So I was being very sincere. I hope this work can get wrapped up
soon with
> > enough help. 
> > Lily
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Patrick Droz [mailto:[email protected]] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:21
> > To: Yang, Lily L
> > Cc: Joel M. Halpern
> > Subject: Re: model drasft
> > 
> > Hi Lily,
> > 
> > I hope you don't mean this in a sarcastic way. I absolutely
> > do not want to offend people. But I heard people saying that
> > they can only contribute to drafts if they are mentioned as
> > editors. My goal is only to make this draft happen and find
> > more people getting active.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Patrick
> > 
> > Yang, Lily L wrote:
> >> Good idea. This helps reduce my guilt level, so thank you :-)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Forwarding and Control Element Separation
> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patrick Droz
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 07:43
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: model drasft
> >>
> >> I would like to make a suggestion concerning the progress of the
> >> model draft. Apart from Joel nobody in the authors list has been
> >> active and we already have the max number of authors reached. So
> >> I would suggest we put the non active authors into an
acknowledgment
> >> section as "Authors emeritus". This would open up room to find
> >> new active editors willing to work on the draft. Would there be
> >> new people willing to work on the model?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Patrick
> > 
> 
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