Yesterday's IETF (was: [Mtgvenue] [125attendees] Re: [Manycouches] To kyo remote hub)

Hi Bob, All,
At 11:53 AM 21-03-2026, Bob Hinden wrote:
>For a long while now, most chairs are using the 
>meetecho tool to ask questions like this 
>(instead of humming) because it works for local 
>and remote attendees.  Similar to the way we use 
>the Meetecho to join the speaking queue for all attendees (local and remote).
>
>"hums" don't work for any remote attendees.

Thanks for the above information.

I looked up what the tool offers.  I found out 
that it is a "Show of Hands tool allows session 
chairs to conduct simple yes/no polls of participants."

There is the following text in Section 1 of RFC 7282:

   'To reinforce that we do not vote, we have also adopted the tradition
    of "humming": When, for example, we have face-to-face meetings and
    the chair of the working group wants to get a "sense of the room",
    instead of a show of hands, sometimes the chair will ask for each
    side to hum on a particular question, either "for" or "against".'

A participant referenced RFC 7282 in a discussion 
[1].  I was a bit intrigued about why working 
group discussions (in general) seemed more heated 
over the recent years.  In yesterday's IETF, 
there were controversies.  It was difficult (I 
could be wrong about this) to successfully 
challenge the determination of consensus.

In today's IETF, I come across polarized 
discussions.  There are the "I support", "I 
oppose" responses.  I am not inclined to get involved.

Could the "hums" has fallen in disuse have the 
unintended effect of reinforcing the idea that we do vote?

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

1. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/nVeE4qhVAnLCOfGZcNloENNF34Q