Re: I-D ACTION:draft-shafranovich-feedback-report-01.txt

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> On Wed May 25 2005 18:32, [email protected] wrote:
> > In any case, I agree that these are not
> > header fields and hence do not belong in the regular header field
> > registry.

> Discussion with Graham back when the registry documents were still
> in draft form seemed to indicate that it would be reasonable.

That may have been true at the time, but the IESG pushed back hard on having a
single general-purpose registry for all field names. What we ended up with
instead is a more specific registry for header fields in specific protocols.
There's no requirement that new protocols use the registry either.

> The
> use could be indicated via the registration form "applicable protocol"
> field.  The benefits would be as listed in RFC 3864:

>    Benefits of a central registry for message header field names
>    include:

>    o  providing a single point of reference for standardized and
>       widely-used header field names;

>    o  providing a central point of discovery for established header
>       fields, and easy location of their defining documents;

>    o  discouraging multiple definitions of a header field name for
>       different purposes;

These benefits arise from having a registy, not from having a common
registry.

>    o  helping those proposing new header fields discern established
>       trends and conventions, and avoid names that might be confused
>       with existing ones;

>    o  encouraging convergence of header field name usage across multiple
>       applications and protocols.

These benefits are to some extent linked to having a single registry. The
question, then, is whether these are real benefits for the fields at hand.
I don't think they are.

> Technically, of course, these aren't header fields,

Exactly.

> but sometimes fields
> don't stay put (MTAs insert empty lines, moving message fields into the
> body, for example).  And they do use the same syntax.

The behavior of egregiously broken software is hardly relevant.

> And note that some fields used in types similar to the one proposed in
> the draft under discussion are also used in message header fields (e.g.
> Original-Message-ID).  Benefits "discouraging multiple definitions
> for different purposes", "...discern established trends...", "encouraging
> convergence..." all are applicable.  The draft under discussion re.
> "User-Agent" is an example.

> With three related types already (DSN, MDN, MTSN), and some already
> existing common use (e.g. Original-Recipient, Final-Recipient), the
> benefits enumerated in 3864 seem clear.

Not when there's an existing registry, they don't.

				Ned
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