[TLS] Re: Draft THURDAY minutes are at

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On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 7:28=E2=80=AFAM Nadim Kobeissi <[email protected]=
ware>
wrote:

> I=E2=80=99d like to disclose that one potential negative impact of using =
extremely
> strong wording such as =E2=80=9Cdraconian=E2=80=9D is that I=E2=80=99m no=
w receiving extremely
> aggressive and abusive emails off-list from some senior IETF participants
> who have repeatedly expressed their belief that this vote pertained to me
> personally, and indicates that (I quote) =E2=80=9Cthe working group has c=
learly
> voted that they don't want to hear from [me].=E2=80=9D
>

In the most courteous way I can manage before tea, I submit that this
sentiment existed well before any vote occurred containing the toxic word
"draconian" (which we all know means that one has a breath weapon and
immunity to the relevant elemental damage). The senders of such messages
are entirely responsible for their own off-list expressions of opinion and
they should not be laid at the feet of the chairs even if a starkly
prescriptivist reading of constrained live-poll language offends your
editorial sensibilities.

It is possibly ironic, but certainly non-productive, to continue an
extended fight about the dictionary definition of the word after you have
been directly and repeatedly informed that it was clear in the context of
the audience at which it was directed. It is unclear what outcome you're
seeking from it, to be frank. I hope that watching the video or otherwise
gaining the context of the moment provides you with some relief.

I hope even more that you're able to find more constructive and
collaborative ways to communicate on the TLS list, because whatever
intellectual contributions you might offer are utterly eclipsed by the
unwelcome volume and tone.

Mike

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 7:28=E2=80=AFAM Nadim=
 Kobeissi &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>I=E2=80=99d like to disclose tha=
t one potential negative impact of using extremely strong wording such as =
=E2=80=9Cdraconian=E2=80=9D is that I=E2=80=99m now receiving extremely agg=
ressive and abusive emails off-list from some senior IETF participants who =
have repeatedly expressed their belief that this vote pertained to me perso=
nally, and indicates that (I quote)=C2=A0=E2=80=9Cthe working group has cle=
arly voted that they don&#39;t want to hear from [me].=E2=80=9D</div></div>=
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>In the most courteous way I can manage bef=
ore tea, I submit that this sentiment existed well before any vote occurred=
 containing the toxic word &quot;draconian&quot; (which we all know means t=
hat one has a breath weapon and immunity to the relevant elemental damage).=
 The senders of such messages are entirely responsible for their own off-li=
st expressions of opinion and they should not be laid at the feet of the ch=
airs even if a starkly prescriptivist reading of constrained=C2=A0live-poll=
 language offends your editorial sensibilities.</div><div><br></div><div>It=
 is possibly ironic, but certainly non-productive, to continue an extended =
fight about the dictionary definition of the word after you have been direc=
tly and repeatedly informed that it was clear in the context of the audienc=
e at which it was directed. It is unclear what outcome you&#39;re seeking f=
rom it, to be frank. I hope that watching the video or otherwise gaining th=
e context of the moment provides you with some relief.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>I  hope=C2=A0even more that you&#39;re able to find more constructive =
and collaborative ways to communicate on the TLS list, because whatever int=
ellectual contributions you might offer are utterly eclipsed by the unwelco=
me volume and tone.</div><div><br></div><div>Mike</div></div></div>

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