Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after installation but orca does

Hi, I submitted the logs to this debian Bug#1111121: 
installation-reports: Forky debian-installer the same issue exists. 
Nick Gawronski

On 3/23/2026 1:58 PM, Chevelle wrote:
> Speakup works fine in the console on Debian testing.  It is possible I 
> changed something since I installed it a while back.  I assume you 
> installed the 'espeak' package.  Without knowing how you installed it or 
> what you did, it is hard to troubleshoot remotely.
> 
> 
> On 3/23/26 1:10 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:
>> Hi, Yes I totally understand and this is what I meant when I said that 
>> speakup works much better in the console then orca does in the 
>> graphical terminal.  My issue is that on Forky, if I press control and 
>> alt and f1 I get no speech from the espeakup software and when working 
>> with the shell I prefer to use the console and not the graphical 
>> terminal application as like I said before orca will read things that 
>> speakup will not as it reads what updates and not what has already 
>> been read.  I prefer working in the text consoles and not the 
>> graphical terminals when I need to use the shell. Nick Gawronski
>>
>> On 3/23/2026 3:15 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>>> As Glenn correctly points out, speakup only works in a console and 
>>> ORCA only works in the graphical user interface (GUI) and opening up 
>>> a text terminal inside the GUI.
>>>
>>> New comers often mix up running a text terminal in Orca compared with 
>>> directly opening one of the virtual consoles.
>>>
>>> A console refers to the system's low-level text interface, such as 
>>> virtual consoles (TTYs accessed via Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6), which provide 
>>> direct, full-screen access to the OS kernel and shell without a 
>>> graphical environment.
>>>
>>> A terminal (or terminal emulator like GNOME Terminal which uses Orca) 
>>> is a graphical windowed application within a desktop environment 
>>> (e.g., opened via Ctrl+Alt+T) that emulates a console, passing input 
>>> to a shell and displaying output.
>>>
>>> I'm confused if everyone understands the difference because it's easy 
>>> to confuse them but they are two different things.
>>>
>>> If everyone already knows this,  I apologize, but years ago I thought 
>>> orca running GNOME terminal was what people were talking about when 
>>> they mentioned the "console". It isn't,  it is more basic than the 
>>> Graphical User Interface (GUI), it's running underneath the GUI, 
>>> underneath Orca. Open it up as I described in the first paragraph. 
>>> The Graphical environment GUI runs in a console, but the other 
>>> consoles are available for use. Often F1 is the GUI so I proposed 
>>> opening the F3 console. Remember you can only run console apps and 
>>> direct commands in a console but you will notice how much faster it 
>>> is than the GUI and Orca.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Ring
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2026, 02:05 K0LNY ?? <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I don't think you would want speakup in a terminal.
>>>     I am guessing that most people who want Speakup rather than Orca,
>>>     call up a
>>>     console and run Speakup there.
>>>     Speakup won't really work in a GUI session, which is where the
>>>     terminal is
>>>     running from.
>>>     Glenn
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>     From: "john doe" <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>     To: <[email protected] <mailto:debian-
>>>     [email protected]>>
>>>     Sent: Monday, March 23, 2026 12:44 AM
>>>     Subject: Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after
>>>     installation but
>>>     orca does
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 3/22/26 20:00, Nick Gawronski wrote:
>>>      > Hi, I just installed Forky and noticed that orca comes up as 
>>> normal
>>>      > after the installation in mate but if I try to access just the
>>>     consoles
>>>      > I have no speech from speakup what so ever. This should be 
>>> fixed as
>>>      > that could really be a mess for some users and orca is not the
>>>     best in
>>>      > terminal applications.
>>>      >
>>>
>>>     Why according to you, Orca is not working in the terminal?
>>>
>>>     I use Orca in the terminal on a daily bases without problem.
>>>
>>>     --     John Doe
>>>
>>
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