Re: I PLEASE A NEW GOBOLINU-RELEASE!

Dear Viola:

Bloatware can be defined as a software that bogs
your computer down and clearly makes you un-
productive or, at worst, make it difficult to use your
system to do anything useful at all.

This clearly isn't the case of both KDE SC and
GNOME when there's the needed muscles to run
them.

Of course any WM will consume lot less resour-
ces but again they will do *much* less things that
KDE or GNOME are capable to do.
Saying that KDE SC or GNOME are bloatware is
showing a lack of view of the general computing
picture and indeed is FUD in the sense those DEs
does usually use more RAM than alternative lighter
DEs but they are still very meager with CPU cycles
while doing much more than their alternative coun-
terparts. In the case of KDE you can even customi-
ze it to use barely 350kb of RAM without any arca-
ne hacking, just configuring the environment with it's
build-in tools (aka System Settings).

Again ,saying that a modern software suite that focus
on mid-to-high level hardware machines is bloated
because it won't run on an IBM XT with amber mono-
chrome monitor isn't fair at all; this way anyone that
only works from ttys and uses framebuffer for watch-
ing movies can say your SithWM is bloatware be-
cause it needs the 'huge'[0] X.org to run :)

I myself was a dwm/Awesome/Musca/Ratpoison
user for a long time and played with lot of cool WMs
back then but that was when I had the time to spend
configuring every dark corner of my system so a ba-
rebones installation with a spartan WM made sanse.

Time passes, I learned a lot and now I need a system
that _just runs_ and do it well but yet gives me the po-
wer to tweak it to my liking wherever I see fit - and I ho-
pefully found it.
I use it as my main OS in my laptop and all my other
desktop boxes and I can say it performs rather well on
not-so-newer hardware.
Last, we shouldn't forget that while WM do only that,
manage your applications windows, complete DEs
like KDE SC, GNOME and in minor degree Xfce,
LXDE and possible others (E17 and Qt-Razor come
to my mind but I lack experience with them) enforce a
number of subsystems that adds additional features
and even takes care of hardware management.
"Bloatware" shouldn't be defined by our own POV be-
cause that's totally subjective.

Back to your main topic:
Gobolinux is indeed a power development focused to
advanced users but I don't think it really matters what
WM or DE is running if the system is designed to allow
the user do his/her magic each time a console is
invoked!
While I never was a heavy user of Gobo I certainly
wouldn't like it to vanish, I think there are a bunch of
good ideas worth developing further.
Good luck with your initiative :)

On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Viola Zoltán <[email protected]> wrote:

My ideas about a GOOD GUI (graphical desktop environment) (WM):
>
> 1. NO "icons" on the "desk". No need. Superfluous. Enough only a menu (for
> a hotkey and the right mouse button).
>

Don't agree, that's depend _a lot_ on the kind of what type of user you are
and what type of work you do with your system.
If you mostly do sysadmin tasks you surely barely need a graphical
interface at all but if you are a designer, digital artist or pretty much
anything else you will likely want to have a desktop to throw the projects
you're actually working on.
Not to mention if you're a a 'plain' user, that's the only way you know to
operate your system.


>  2. All GUI funkctions available with hotkeys.
>

KDE SC lets you do this natively and let me say you this works beautifully.
You not only can bind a hotkey to a standard GUI functions but also to
plasmoids with integrates with online services like Google Translator, G+
or pretty much everything else - it's just amazing how well this works.

3. The hotkeys of the WM and all other WM functions are modify-able
> (personalize-able) in simple text files.
>

While *everything* is customizable in KDE SC I never tried to change those,
editing it's text configuration files simply because I never had the need -
and believe me I'm a simple-text-config-files person too!

4. No GUI program for the "System settings". All system parameter in the
> GoboLinux modify-able via editing onf the system scripts, rc-files, etc. No
> need any specialist "Command Center" or "Control Panel" as in the KDE,
> Gnome...
>

I don't think this really depend on what GUI you are using but the type of
user you are. If you're just learning the basics or simply aren't a
technical user a GUI with a sub-set of available features will do it for
you; on the other hand if you are a more advanced user you surely will like
to pop-up a terminal, launch Emacs, Vim or whatever you use and do the
stuff manually.
I think that the real thing resides in the system you are running do let
you fine-tweak every aspect of it if you want to in a simple, transparent
way. GUI's are good for application use but we all know that administrative
tasks are done right from the console :) (I will never understand how
Windows sysadmins manage to do their work with GUI-only tools, yuck!)

5. Need only 1 taskbar with a few applets: The speed of the Internet
> connections up/down, CPU %, memory %, and Clock with date. And 4 virtual
> desktop.
>

Again depending on the type of user you are the work you do with your
system.


> 5. All program need start in maximized window, as default.
>

That's debatable but I tend to agree with this statement :)


> 6. No need GDM, KDM, etc, the system need start (boot up) to console mode,
> and the graphical environment available with the "startx".
>

LOL, that's the way I started my systems for quite a lot of years =)
Again, this depends on how you use your system.


>  7. XBindKeys as default available in the installed system.
> 8. No CapsLock. Unusable. CapsLock need mapped to a "Mod3" extra key for
> XBindKeys.
>

I'm sure that a mapped CL key would be far useful for a WM user than for
someone working in the printing industry but I'm not sure the other way ;-)
 On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Viola Zoltán <[email protected]> wrote:

> My ideas about a GOOD GUI (graphical desktop environment) (WM):
>
>

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