Re: GNOME 49 and SysV systems (possibly affecting other DEs in the future too)

The purpose of LFS is that it's supposed to teach you how a Linux system is
built from the ground-up, and using automated build helpers to build a
whole series of packages takes away from that. As I said before, you also
have the issue of multiple packages depending on individual GNOME/KDE
programs and libraries, which would eventually circle back to having
individual chapters for both once again.

Il Mar 21 Ott 2025, 22:28 jeremy wiig <[email protected]>
ha scritto:

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> On Tue, Oct 21, 2025 at 11:16 AM Thomas Seeling <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I think for educational purposes the LFS book should constrain itself to
>> sysV to demonstrate the purpose of an init system in an understandable
>> and simple way.
>>
>> Since LFS does not *require* systemd it could be moved to BLFS as a
>> prerequisite for some DEs.
>>
>> In fact this could lead to describe other init systems as alternatives
>> as well.
>> BLFS has instructions for multiple init systems, so it may also show
>> systemd, openrc and whatever else is there, with a migration path from
>> the LFS sysV way of doing things.
>>
>> Personally I'm very unhappy with systemd, I don't like it at all. I also
>> don't like gnome, but not because of systemd :-)
>> systemd started as a way to parallelize the startup services as much as
>> possible, but it grew into a monster with more than a million lines of
>> code.
>> To me it looks like its own ecosystem on top of the Linux kernel, just
>> like the saying about Emacs: "nice OS, terrible editor" :-)
>>
>> Stay healthy,
>> Thomas
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> how about drop gnome (and kde) with maybe a couple short chapters where to
> find support for the official build tools gnome foundry and kde-builder. i
> think a main draw of LFS is to be lightweight with icewm or xfce.
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