Re: About translations

> Transifex (and not SVN anymore) being only translation environment - is g=
ood for me.
Yes, seems to me that by now the only right thing we all have to do --
is to center every translation effort on Mandriva Transifex ONLY
As far as know, Alexander Kazancev & some other Rosa members plan to
do some simple scripting for moving locales from transifex to svn, so
let's wait for Alexander what he says :)

On 25 August 2011 21:18, Marek Laane <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> 2011/8/25 Juliette Tux <[email protected]>
>>
>> Hello everybody, my name is Julia Dronova I'm one of a new translators
>> in Russian team. I want to say that by now the whole localization
>> structure is messed, just like almost everything in Mandriva. We'll
>> need some time (after releasing 2011) to decide what to do with all
>> these problems and to sketch and build some good working structure
>> where minimum efforts will be needed from the translators' side to
>> care about upstream commiting.
>> Yes the developers (in Rosa team at least) are aware of the problem
>> and by now they definitely know that translators do need somebody who
>> will do svn-commiting on regular basis, but my opinion on the subject
>> is that we really need some engine (new or existing somewhere on
>> FreshMeat, google-code etc) to automate both the translating part and
>> svn-commiting just not to depend too much on developers+let them do
>> their coding calmly.
>>
> So, is it to say ML 2011 will stay translation-wise as bad as it is (or, =
as
> good as it is, if you prefer that way :-) ) but there is still hope ML 20=
12
> (or whatever next release will be) would be better?
> I have to say proposed and probably somehow working system - Transifex (a=
nd
> not SVN anymore) being only translation environment - is good for me. The
> problem is more in communication; translators have to know what they are
> supposed to
> do.=C2=A0https://transifex.mandriva.com/projects/p/mandriva_desktop/r/201=
1/ is
> very good but it appeared too late. For next release I propose to make a
> "project" in Transifex as soon as possible - it makes no harm if one woul=
d
> translate something what will be removed later in development cycle; much
> more harm is done if there is no hint at all what we are supposed to keep=
 an
> eye on, as it was now. And, of course, there has to be clear statement wh=
o
> or how has to transfer translations from Transifex into SVN.
> Marek Laane
> Estonian translator
>>
>> On 25 August 2011 20:32, Marek Laane <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/8/25 <[email protected]>
>> >>
>> >> > I totally agree with statistic in transifex, especially if the
>> >> > http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/ is not being synce=
d
>> >> > anymore.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > bedi
>> >> I think, at last for old translators, that they still could use the
>> >> commit
>> >> direct to svn method, instead only transifex, actually, i prefer to
>> >> translate
>> >> direct on svn, but for new comers it may be better transifex, but tru=
e
>> >> is,
>> >> both
>> >> http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats and transifex should work, and the
>> >> translator
>> >> chooses his prefered method.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> bedi
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Well, being "old translator", I'm surely in no way against having
>> > Transifex
>> > only translation environment, as it seems to be preferred method now,
>> > but
>> > what I'm really concerned is how translations are coming back from
>> > Transifex
>> > to SVN - AFAIK translations for release are still taken from SVN not
>> > directly from Transifex. Maybe I've forgotten something but I do not
>> > remember any clear decision who has to do it, we, translators, or
>> > somebody
>> > else (mysterious translation coordinator?). Though, I seem to remember=
,
>> > it
>> > was proposed to be responsibility of developers themselves but looking
>> > at=C2=A0http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/soft/?sortby=3Ddate=C2=A0I rath=
er doubt they
>> > consider it or, maybe, even know it is their responsibility...
>> > Marek Laane
>> > Estonian translator
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Em Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:41:19 -0300, Marek Laane <[email protected]>
>> >> > escreveu:
>> >> >
>> >> >> First and most important: I'm really pissed of about translation
>> >> >> management
>> >> >> (or, rather mis/nonmanagement) in this development cycle and
>> >> >> seriously
>> >> >> contemplating to make, after 10 years, Mandriva history for me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> More specifically. Up to today I lived in blessed knowledge that
>> >> >> Estonian
>> >> >> translation is totally OK as the only statistics I know of (
>> >> >> http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/) showed translati=
on
>> >> >> at
>> >> >> 100%. Yes, I did know Transifex is in equation, too, but sadly the=
re
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> no
>> >> >> statistics, even not the ML 2011 project which could be used as
>> >> >> reference
>> >> >> point, and besides I had perception SVN and Transifex are
>> >> >> synchronized,
>> >> >> so I
>> >> >> didn't think Transifex can have updated or new strings which are n=
ot
>> >> >> reflected in mentioned statistics page. So, if I saw today,
>> >> >> mandriva-kde-translation has some new strings, I did go to Transif=
ex
>> >> >> (it
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> recommended now, not directly committing in SVN, AFAIK). For some
>> >> >> peculiar
>> >> >> reason I decided to see other files, too, and was really shocked t=
o
>> >> >> see
>> >> >> many
>> >> >> new/updated strings. Nothing about them in mentioned statistics
>> >> >> page,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> even more, nobody mentioned about them to the translators, e.g. in
>> >> >> cooker-i18n list. Of course, I updated all of them and can now jus=
t
>> >> >> hope
>> >> >> they make it in ML 2011... But what I really cannot understand, is
>> >> >> why
>> >> >> nobody at Mandriva seems to care about translations anymore... It
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> bad
>> >> >> for last release but now I've feeling translators and translations
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> absolutely abandoned...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Marek Laane
>> >> >> Estonian translator
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
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>> >> > http://www.opera.com/mail/
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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