Re: About translations

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:45:34PM +0400, Juliette Tux wrote:
> > Transifex (and not SVN anymore) being only translation environment - is good for me.
> Yes, seems to me that by now the only right thing we all have to do --
> is to center every translation effort on Mandriva Transifex ONLY
> As far as know, Alexander Kazancev & some other Rosa members plan to
> do some simple scripting for moving locales from transifex to svn, so
> let's wait for Alexander what he says :)

I prefer using SVN - that works for me, while transiflex does not.
And I have some procedures with svn that makes it easier for me.

Why not have both ways, if there really are some people that are
so happy with transifleks.

best regards
keld

> 
> On 25 August 2011 21:18, Marek Laane <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2011/8/25 Juliette Tux <[email protected]>
> >>
> >> Hello everybody, my name is Julia Dronova I'm one of a new translators
> >> in Russian team. I want to say that by now the whole localization
> >> structure is messed, just like almost everything in Mandriva. We'll
> >> need some time (after releasing 2011) to decide what to do with all
> >> these problems and to sketch and build some good working structure
> >> where minimum efforts will be needed from the translators' side to
> >> care about upstream commiting.
> >> Yes the developers (in Rosa team at least) are aware of the problem
> >> and by now they definitely know that translators do need somebody who
> >> will do svn-commiting on regular basis, but my opinion on the subject
> >> is that we really need some engine (new or existing somewhere on
> >> FreshMeat, google-code etc) to automate both the translating part and
> >> svn-commiting just not to depend too much on developers+let them do
> >> their coding calmly.
> >>
> > So, is it to say ML 2011 will stay translation-wise as bad as it is (or, as
> > good as it is, if you prefer that way :-) ) but there is still hope ML 2012
> > (or whatever next release will be) would be better?
> > I have to say proposed and probably somehow working system - Transifex (and
> > not SVN anymore) being only translation environment - is good for me. The
> > problem is more in communication; translators have to know what they are
> > supposed to
> > do.??https://transifex.mandriva.com/projects/p/mandriva_desktop/r/2011/ is
> > very good but it appeared too late. For next release I propose to make a
> > "project" in Transifex as soon as possible - it makes no harm if one would
> > translate something what will be removed later in development cycle; much
> > more harm is done if there is no hint at all what we are supposed to keep an
> > eye on, as it was now. And, of course, there has to be clear statement who
> > or how has to transfer translations from Transifex into SVN.
> > Marek Laane
> > Estonian translator
> >>
> >> On 25 August 2011 20:32, Marek Laane <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2011/8/25 <[email protected]>
> >> >>
> >> >> > I totally agree with statistic in transifex, especially if the
> >> >> > http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/ is not being synced
> >> >> > anymore.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > bedi
> >> >> I think, at last for old translators, that they still could use the
> >> >> commit
> >> >> direct to svn method, instead only transifex, actually, i prefer to
> >> >> translate
> >> >> direct on svn, but for new comers it may be better transifex, but true
> >> >> is,
> >> >> both
> >> >> http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats and transifex should work, and the
> >> >> translator
> >> >> chooses his prefered method.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> bedi
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > Well, being "old translator", I'm surely in no way against having
> >> > Transifex
> >> > only translation environment, as it seems to be preferred method now,
> >> > but
> >> > what I'm really concerned is how translations are coming back from
> >> > Transifex
> >> > to SVN - AFAIK translations for release are still taken from SVN not
> >> > directly from Transifex. Maybe I've forgotten something but I do not
> >> > remember any clear decision who has to do it, we, translators, or
> >> > somebody
> >> > else (mysterious translation coordinator?). Though, I seem to remember,
> >> > it
> >> > was proposed to be responsibility of developers themselves but looking
> >> > at??http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/soft/?sortby=date??I rather doubt they
> >> > consider it or, maybe, even know it is their responsibility...
> >> > Marek Laane
> >> > Estonian translator
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Em Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:41:19 -0300, Marek Laane <[email protected]>
> >> >> > escreveu:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> First and most important: I'm really pissed of about translation
> >> >> >> management
> >> >> >> (or, rather mis/nonmanagement) in this development cycle and
> >> >> >> seriously
> >> >> >> contemplating to make, after 10 years, Mandriva history for me.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> More specifically. Up to today I lived in blessed knowledge that
> >> >> >> Estonian
> >> >> >> translation is totally OK as the only statistics I know of (
> >> >> >> http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/) showed translation
> >> >> >> at
> >> >> >> 100%. Yes, I did know Transifex is in equation, too, but sadly there
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> no
> >> >> >> statistics, even not the ML 2011 project which could be used as
> >> >> >> reference
> >> >> >> point, and besides I had perception SVN and Transifex are
> >> >> >> synchronized,
> >> >> >> so I
> >> >> >> didn't think Transifex can have updated or new strings which are not
> >> >> >> reflected in mentioned statistics page. So, if I saw today,
> >> >> >> mandriva-kde-translation has some new strings, I did go to Transifex
> >> >> >> (it
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> recommended now, not directly committing in SVN, AFAIK). For some
> >> >> >> peculiar
> >> >> >> reason I decided to see other files, too, and was really shocked to
> >> >> >> see
> >> >> >> many
> >> >> >> new/updated strings. Nothing about them in mentioned statistics
> >> >> >> page,
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> even more, nobody mentioned about them to the translators, e.g. in
> >> >> >> cooker-i18n list. Of course, I updated all of them and can now just
> >> >> >> hope
> >> >> >> they make it in ML 2011... But what I really cannot understand, is
> >> >> >> why
> >> >> >> nobody at Mandriva seems to care about translations anymore... It
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> bad
> >> >> >> for last release but now I've feeling translators and translations
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> absolutely abandoned...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Marek Laane
> >> >> >> Estonian translator
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
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> >> >> >
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