Re: About translations

> I prefer using SVN - that works for me, while transiflex does not.
> And I have some procedures with svn that makes it easier for me.
I don't like it either, but the main goal for the translators now --
is centralization around same URL from where the svn-commiting can be
done (by somebody :) ) Is'n it?
I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to keep the thing clear.

On 25 August 2011 22:07,  <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:45:34PM +0400, Juliette Tux wrote:
>> > Transifex (and not SVN anymore) being only translation environment - i=
s good for me.
>> Yes, seems to me that by now the only right thing we all have to do --
>> is to center every translation effort on Mandriva Transifex ONLY
>> As far as know, Alexander Kazancev & some other Rosa members plan to
>> do some simple scripting for moving locales from transifex to svn, so
>> let's wait for Alexander what he says :)
>
> I prefer using SVN - that works for me, while transiflex does not.
> And I have some procedures with svn that makes it easier for me.
>
> Why not have both ways, if there really are some people that are
> so happy with transifleks.
>
> best regards
> keld
>
>>
>> On 25 August 2011 21:18, Marek Laane <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/8/25 Juliette Tux <[email protected]>
>> >>
>> >> Hello everybody, my name is Julia Dronova I'm one of a new translator=
s
>> >> in Russian team. I want to say that by now the whole localization
>> >> structure is messed, just like almost everything in Mandriva. We'll
>> >> need some time (after releasing 2011) to decide what to do with all
>> >> these problems and to sketch and build some good working structure
>> >> where minimum efforts will be needed from the translators' side to
>> >> care about upstream commiting.
>> >> Yes the developers (in Rosa team at least) are aware of the problem
>> >> and by now they definitely know that translators do need somebody who
>> >> will do svn-commiting on regular basis, but my opinion on the subject
>> >> is that we really need some engine (new or existing somewhere on
>> >> FreshMeat, google-code etc) to automate both the translating part and
>> >> svn-commiting just not to depend too much on developers+let them do
>> >> their coding calmly.
>> >>
>> > So, is it to say ML 2011 will stay translation-wise as bad as it is (o=
r, as
>> > good as it is, if you prefer that way :-) ) but there is still hope ML=
 2012
>> > (or whatever next release will be) would be better?
>> > I have to say proposed and probably somehow working system - Transifex=
 (and
>> > not SVN anymore) being only translation environment - is good for me. =
The
>> > problem is more in communication; translators have to know what they a=
re
>> > supposed to
>> > do.??https://transifex.mandriva.com/projects/p/mandriva_desktop/r/2011=
/ is
>> > very good but it appeared too late. For next release I propose to make=
 a
>> > "project" in Transifex as soon as possible - it makes no harm if one w=
ould
>> > translate something what will be removed later in development cycle; m=
uch
>> > more harm is done if there is no hint at all what we are supposed to k=
eep an
>> > eye on, as it was now. And, of course, there has to be clear statement=
 who
>> > or how has to transfer translations from Transifex into SVN.
>> > Marek Laane
>> > Estonian translator
>> >>
>> >> On 25 August 2011 20:32, Marek Laane <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2011/8/25 <[email protected]>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I totally agree with statistic in transifex, especially if the
>> >> >> > http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/ is not being sy=
nced
>> >> >> > anymore.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > bedi
>> >> >> I think, at last for old translators, that they still could use th=
e
>> >> >> commit
>> >> >> direct to svn method, instead only transifex, actually, i prefer t=
o
>> >> >> translate
>> >> >> direct on svn, but for new comers it may be better transifex, but =
true
>> >> >> is,
>> >> >> both
>> >> >> http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats and transifex should work, and the
>> >> >> translator
>> >> >> chooses his prefered method.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> bedi
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > Well, being "old translator", I'm surely in no way against having
>> >> > Transifex
>> >> > only translation environment, as it seems to be preferred method no=
w,
>> >> > but
>> >> > what I'm really concerned is how translations are coming back from
>> >> > Transifex
>> >> > to SVN - AFAIK translations for release are still taken from SVN no=
t
>> >> > directly from Transifex. Maybe I've forgotten something but I do no=
t
>> >> > remember any clear decision who has to do it, we, translators, or
>> >> > somebody
>> >> > else (mysterious translation coordinator?). Though, I seem to remem=
ber,
>> >> > it
>> >> > was proposed to be responsibility of developers themselves but look=
ing
>> >> > at??http://svn.mandriva.com/viewvc/soft/?sortby=3Ddate??I rather do=
ubt they
>> >> > consider it or, maybe, even know it is their responsibility...
>> >> > Marek Laane
>> >> > Estonian translator
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Em Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:41:19 -0300, Marek Laane <[email protected]>
>> >> >> > escreveu:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> First and most important: I'm really pissed of about translatio=
n
>> >> >> >> management
>> >> >> >> (or, rather mis/nonmanagement) in this development cycle and
>> >> >> >> seriously
>> >> >> >> contemplating to make, after 10 years, Mandriva history for me.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> More specifically. Up to today I lived in blessed knowledge tha=
t
>> >> >> >> Estonian
>> >> >> >> translation is totally OK as the only statistics I know of (
>> >> >> >> http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/) showed transl=
ation
>> >> >> >> at
>> >> >> >> 100%. Yes, I did know Transifex is in equation, too, but sadly =
there
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> no
>> >> >> >> statistics, even not the ML 2011 project which could be used as
>> >> >> >> reference
>> >> >> >> point, and besides I had perception SVN and Transifex are
>> >> >> >> synchronized,
>> >> >> >> so I
>> >> >> >> didn't think Transifex can have updated or new strings which ar=
e not
>> >> >> >> reflected in mentioned statistics page. So, if I saw today,
>> >> >> >> mandriva-kde-translation has some new strings, I did go to Tran=
sifex
>> >> >> >> (it
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> recommended now, not directly committing in SVN, AFAIK). For so=
me
>> >> >> >> peculiar
>> >> >> >> reason I decided to see other files, too, and was really shocke=
d to
>> >> >> >> see
>> >> >> >> many
>> >> >> >> new/updated strings. Nothing about them in mentioned statistics
>> >> >> >> page,
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> even more, nobody mentioned about them to the translators, e.g.=
 in
>> >> >> >> cooker-i18n list. Of course, I updated all of them and can now =
just
>> >> >> >> hope
>> >> >> >> they make it in ML 2011... But what I really cannot understand,=
 is
>> >> >> >> why
>> >> >> >> nobody at Mandriva seems to care about translations anymore... =
It
>> >> >> >> was
>> >> >> >> bad
>> >> >> >> for last release but now I've feeling translators and translati=
ons
>> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> absolutely abandoned...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Marek Laane
>> >> >> >> Estonian translator
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Usando o revolucion??rio cliente de e-mail do Opera:
>> >> >> > http://www.opera.com/mail/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >
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