RE: Re[2]: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

>the Mandriva club provides home products, the MNF is not at all an home
product.<

Hang on a minute. Are saying that Mandriva Club is only for "home products".
Then why did I pay for an extremely expensive Corporate membership? I think
you guys need to make it much clearer what each membership level entitles a
person too.

I also hope you have done your market research re. pricing of MNF 2. You are
trying to break into an extremely paranoid market with MNF2. Companies take
their firewalls very seriously and nobody has heard of you in this market
place.
You are playing with the big boys such as Cisco and Checkpoint who have been
supplying proven firewall software for many years.
Everyone I have mentioned MNF2 have been extremely dismissive as you have no
track record. I think you'd do far better in the long run targeting small
companies with a cheap solution.
I also have to say that the last beta that was released for test has quite a
few issues. If they have not been fixed (and as you have not released a
final Release candidate for user testing I can't see how you can have), you
are going to get an awful lot of bad press. From what I understand from this
newsgroup, Mandriva has not really taken much MNF2 development as seriously
as its main products. I can't possible see how you have managed to properly
test and fix such a complex product in the time since Florin left.
You have a marvellous opportunity to get further free testing with the
member of this newsgroup. I think giving a few dozen free copies to
dedicated list members will do you far more good than harm.

In the meantime I am going to seriously reconsider my membership level.

My 2 pence. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwann Robin [mailto:erobin-4qZELD6FgxhWk0Htik3J/[email protected]] 
Sent: 03 August 2005 15:49
To: security-firewall-4qZELD6FgxheH41UXmfQsti2O/[email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Security Firewall] Florins Firewall

Hello,

If i understand you well, you are a professor.
And, as a professor, you are paid for working.

Why would'nt we have the right to be paid for working as gnu/linux
developers ?

I am not @mandriva for a long time but what I see is that we are nearly the
only commercial Gnu/Linux Distribution to totally respect the free software
spirit and that people don't stop blaming us for being commercial.

if you are professor, you can ask your school or your university to take the
Academia program, which we developed specially for them.

Le mercredi 03 août 2005 à 08:10 -0400, Doug White a écrit :
> I concur.  Some of us started using this product because I have NO budget.
> I don't' mean it's tight, I mean if I want to use this in my classes, 
> I have to pay for it out of my pocket.  Mandrake set up a product we 
> could use.  I spent my own money to join the club so I could get the 
> distros for my students. Then all of a sudden... I owe 700+ dollars if 
> I want to use it this fall.
the Mandriva club provides home products, the MNF is not at all an home
product.

> Some of us feel your snide attitude and comments towards us, is a bit
nasty.
> I don't just lurk, I paid the membership fee.  But don't worry, I will 
> soon find some other product to teach my students and if I ever get 
> the grant to pay for it, you can bet it won't be your product I will buy.
> 
> Have a nice corporate existence and adieu.
just to say that we would be happy to have a generous donator which would
allow to live happy without charging anything for our products. 

But it is not the case and if we accept to give our cutting edge products,
nobody would accept to pay for it.

now, do what you want but i would love to have answers from you to know the
solutions you see in this case. (in private because it is not the mailing
liste goal)



--
Erwann
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