Re: What happened to mailman

I have asked several times for a 'paying customers list'.  It is something
I expect from an enterprise supplier.

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D Canfield <canfield-8SAP/[email protected]>@redhat.com on 10/17/2003 10:56:35 AM

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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Ed Wilts wrote:

> > I have similar questions about a variety of packages in the
> > distribution... why OpenLDAP 2.0 instead of 2.1 (another question
> from
> > the list that was ignored), why IMAP-2002 instead of the dovecot
> used in
> > Fedora, etc.
>
> Usually, the case is that the newest release didn't have time to
> stabilize between the time it came out and when Red Hat has to make a
> decision as to what to include.  The goal that Red Hat CAN NOT deviate
> from is long-term stability.  imap2002 works.  I've never used or seen
> dovecot, but if it's in Fedora, than I would expect that it's going
> through a public evaluation phase and it may make it into RHEL 4.
>
> I asked the same question about OpenOffice 1.1.  It won't be in RHEL 3
> nor RHPW (whatever version they call it).  I don't like the answer,
> but
> I understand why the decision was made.  Red Hat certainly can't put
> in
> a lot of late-breaking versions into their enterprise product - that
> would be suicidal.  They can't afford "brown paper bag" releases like
> you can get away with in a consumer product.

I absolutely understand the need to pick and choose "stable" software
for the enterprise line.  My point was that it would be helpful for
RedHat to communicate *why* these decisions are being made.  For
example, samba 3.0.0 beta was included in Taroon... I totally agree with
this decision b/c Samba is a key package for many users and it would be
unfortunate for the enterprise line to be stuck with 2.0 for another 2
years or so.  But it also illustrates that in many cases, RedHat is not
afraid to be an "early adopter" of updated software.

So, when I see that OpenLDAP has been rolled back from the 2.1 packages
that were in the RHL line to 2.0 in the RHEL line, it raises some flags
to me, but from what I can tell there is no good resource for finding
out what might be wrong with 2.1.

I understand the goals of the RHEL line, and I agree with them.  I also
understand that there will often be a need to do a greater amount of
customization/freshening of packages for the RHEL line than there might
have been with RHL (I know I am starting with a more stable core and
building from there)... I just wish RedHat would share the insights they
have gained in their own testing with the rest of us, much as is now
starting to happen on the Fedora lists.  This would help to make even
"customized" RedHat installs more stable.


> There isn't a list specifically for enterprise customers.  I'll see
> what
> I can do about getting one created.

Just to clarify, I don't necessarily mean that I want to see a
"customers-only" list... but I didn't see a non-beta RHEL list at
listman.redhat.com.  Perhaps I just overlooked it, though.

DC


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