Re: Re: annoyances digest, Vol 1 #58 - 1 msg

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, David Blomber wrote:

> 5.4 
> maybe a part under the kernel about adding modules (downloaded source
> then adding new modules only--have to drive friends through that for
> newer hardware)--of course they usually get the wrong patch downloaded
> for the kernel source they are running thank god for kernel sanity
> checking

...with caution. It's common practice when a newbie asks on a list about
getting their XYZ device working for someone to helpfully post a list of
instructions about enabling modules, patching, compiling and so forth. Which
would be fine if that was still a necessary step. These days, the more
popular distros tend to use a "kitchen sink" modular kernel, so that getting
new devices working is usually just a case of plugging it in (in the case of
USB) or making a few hacks to /etc/modules.conf or some distro-specific
config files (e.g under /etc/sysconfig). Of course, sometimes there are bugs
in the original release kernel, so installing the latest errata kernel is
usually a good idea as a first step if the user encounters difficulties.

Additionally, as distro kernels tend to include a large number of patches
for stability and reliability, I discourage people from rolling their own
unless they have very specific requirements. I know a fair bit about the
workings of kernels, and Linux in particular, but I readily acknowledge that
the kernel hackers working for Debian, RH, SuSE and Mandrake probably know
more.

> 7.1 
> ACLs (SuSE ships ready with SAMBA-RedHat is on the way but ACLs have a
> kernel patch and are catching on--problems include tools <cp, tar> that
> are not ACL ready and kill ACL settings when used)

I'm not sure that ACLs are something that newbies will have a particular use
for. Indeed, with the "User Private Group" scheme
<http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/ref-guide/s1-users-groups-private-groups.html>
that RH (and others?) uses, it's possible to implement the typical policies
that ACLs are used for. A newbie-friendly explanation of such would probably
be useful.

Best Regards,
Alex.
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