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Lawrence Mulder <lmulder-iL7gtBVyNKCGUxFv0Br65wC/[email protected]> Thu, 11 Sep 2025 00:03:15 +0000
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I believe the web interface for Maia has long been the sticking point. I have tried an Amazon Linux 2 distribution (RPM based distribution) and I believe everything worked except for the web interface (even tried adding repository for older PHP 7.x to no avail) and like one perl dependency I had trouble resolving. Other than that, the Maia code base seems very resilient and has given many of us decades of service. It would be nice to continue to use it now and in the future on a supported OS version without relying on outdated components. Thanks, -Larry From: [email protected] Sent: September 10, 2025 7:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Maia-users] (no subject) It looks like Debian 13 uses php8.4: https://packages.debian.org/trixie/php8.4. I took a quick look at the Maia PHP source code on my working system. The PHP requirements are checked in admin/configtest.php. I don't see any obvious issues. With luck, modern versions of all the dependencies are available and backwards compatible. PJ On 9/10/25 11:08 AM, Lawrence Mulder wrote: Interest for sure in staying on Maia. Thanks, -Larry From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: September 10, 2025 1:33 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Maia-users] (no subject) While I'm looking at alternatives, I would definitely stay on maia if the php problems were solved. There is interest, for sure. Joe On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:20 AM P.J. Tezza <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Like others here, I am still running Maia because it continues to work. From earlier posts, it looks like moving the Perl code to modern Debian is straightforward and now the main issue is that the PHP code can't run on modern PHP without changes. Having worked on projects like this in the past, my guess is that upgrading the PHP code to the latest and greatest probably isn't a big deal. If there will be more than just me using it, I could be convinced to work on it. In the past, I've been using Ubuntu, but it looks like Debian 13 might be more popular for this project? PJ On 9/10/25 9:35 AM, jjs - mainphrame wrote: Just to conclude my train of thought here, I'm looking at a promising possibility called Modoboa - it's a system somewhat like maia, but uses django and vue instead of php for the web interface. Looks very promising. I'll be putting it through its paces. Good luck. Joe On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 8:56 AM jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Much as it pains me to say it, if the maia web interface is not updated to work with current software versions, I'll have to end this chapter, It's been a good run. We rolled out maia, with a support contract, to 6000 users at Toyota back in the early 2000s, and it beat all the available commercial solutions. Our east coast plant had spent nearly half a million dollars on a well known commercial solution, but in the end, they asked us to let them route their incoming mail through our maia system instead. It performed flawlessly. I'm gratified to see that all the perl code from 2005 works perfectly today, with the latest OS releases. The php component turned out to be the achilles heel. I've reached out to Robert LeBlanc and haven't heard back, so it doesn't look good at this point. I suppose the next best thing would be to have spamassassin, and possibly amavis, just tag suspected spam, deliver it and let my MUA sort it out. That simplifies things by eliminating the need for a web interface, and letting the end user mail program handle the details. In the meantime I'll be on the lookout for any maia alternatives that I can recommend to others. Joe On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 12:21 PM jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thanks Janky, I agree, the web situation is ugly, but the rest of it works so well I continue to hope that it might be updated. Just out of curiosity, have you tried mailscanner? Joe On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 12:15 PM Janky Jay, III <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Unfortunately, it is no longer in ports since the project died upstream and PHP7 on FBSD is unsupported. I was the port maintainer and finally, but sadly, submitted its removal about 6 months ago. In all honesty, and it hurts me in my soul to say this, I would highly suggest moving away from Maia-Mailguard. I ended up migrating to Rspamd (very easy migration) which takes a more modern approach and no longer requires a web UI. Spam/Ham is learned via IMAP mail movements so there isn't any user interface to maintain. Makes things very simple and you can incorporate all kinds of goodies with it from SpamAssassin scoring to ClamAV scanning to blacklist/whitelist to DMARC/SPF, etc... I just really don't want to see anyone taking a hit by running such a vulnerable version of PHP. Just my two cents. On 9/9/25 01:02PM, jjs - mainphrame wrote: I know of several mailguard users on FreeBSD. If it's not in ports, I think it comes from this repo - https://github.com/technion/maia_mailguard Joe On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 11:49 AM jason hirsh <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thanks. I really liked Mailguard Bur.. I am on FreeBSD On Sep 9, 2025, at 2:43 PM, jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Some have reported issues reading the text in my OP, so here's a screenshot Joe On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 10:32 AM jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: My os upgrades for the maia service here are complete, to the extent possible. Everything runs beautifully on Debian 13, with the exception, of course, of the web portal, which must for now at least, remain on php 7. If only The web component could be updated, maia would be golden. Old New ------------------------------------------------- maia servers ------------------------------------------------- os Debian 11 Debian 13 maiad 1.0.4.1524 1.0.4.1524 postfix 3.5.25 3.10.4 spamassassin 3.4.6 4.0.1 clamav 1.09 1.4.3 perl 5.32 5.40 ------------------------------------------------- db server ------------------------------------------------- os Centos 7 Debian 13 db mariadb 5.5.68 mariadb 11.8.3 ------------------------------------------------- web portal ------------------------------------------------- os Debian 11 httpd 2.4.65 php 7.4.33 ------------------------------------------------- pop/imap server ------------------------------------------------- os Centos 7 Debian 13 pop/imap dovecot 2.2.36 dovecot 2.4.1 Hope this helps, Joe _______________________________________________ Maia-users mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users <maia-migration.png>_______________________________________________ Maia-users mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users _______________________________________________ Maia-users mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users _______________________________________________ Maia-users mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users _______________________________________________ Maia-users mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users _______________________________________________ Maia-users mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users _______________________________________________ Maia-users mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users _______________________________________________ Maia-users mailing list [email protected] http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users