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jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]> Wed, 10 Sep 2025 17:05:02 -0700
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Keep us posted as to your progress on that front! Joe On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 4:43 PM P.J. Tezza <[email protected]> wrote: > It looks like Debian 13 uses php8.4: > https://packages.debian.org/trixie/php8.4. I took a quick look at the > Maia PHP source code on my working system. The PHP requirements are checked > in admin/configtest.php. I don't see any obvious issues. With luck, modern > versions of all the dependencies are available and backwards compatible. > > PJ > On 9/10/25 11:08 AM, Lawrence Mulder wrote: > > Interest for sure in staying on Maia. > > Thanks, > -Larry > > > *From:* [email protected] > *Sent:* September 10, 2025 1:33 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Maia-users] (no subject) > > While I'm looking at alternatives, I would definitely stay on maia if the > php problems were solved. There is interest, for sure. > > Joe > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 10:20 AM P.J. Tezza <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Like others here, I am still running Maia because it continues to work. >> >> From earlier posts, it looks like moving the Perl code to modern Debian >> is straightforward and now the main issue is that the PHP code can't run on >> modern PHP without changes. Having worked on projects like this in the >> past, my guess is that upgrading the PHP code to the latest and greatest >> probably isn't a big deal. If there will be more than just me using it, I >> could be convinced to work on it. In the past, I've been using Ubuntu, but >> it looks like Debian 13 might be more popular for this project? >> >> PJ >> On 9/10/25 9:35 AM, jjs - mainphrame wrote: >> >> Just to conclude my train of thought here, I'm looking at a promising >> possibility called Modoboa - it's a system somewhat like maia, but uses >> django and vue instead of php for the web interface. Looks very promising. >> I'll be putting it through its paces. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Joe >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 8:56 AM jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Much as it pains me to say it, if the maia web interface is not updated >>> to work with current software versions, I'll have to end this chapter, It's >>> been a good run. We rolled out maia, with a support contract, to 6000 users >>> at Toyota back in the early 2000s, and it beat all the available commercial >>> solutions. Our east coast plant had spent nearly half a million dollars on >>> a well known commercial solution, but in the end, they asked us to let them >>> route their incoming mail through our maia system instead. It >>> performed flawlessly. I'm gratified to see that all the perl code from 2005 >>> works perfectly today, with the latest OS releases. The php component >>> turned out to be the achilles heel. >>> >>> I've reached out to Robert LeBlanc and haven't heard back, so it doesn't >>> look good at this point. >>> >>> I suppose the next best thing would be to have spamassassin, and >>> possibly amavis, just tag suspected spam, deliver it and let my MUA sort it >>> out. That simplifies things by eliminating the need for a web interface, >>> and letting the end user mail program handle the details. >>> >>> In the meantime I'll be on the lookout for any maia alternatives that I >>> can recommend to others. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 12:21 PM jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Janky, >>>> >>>> I agree, the web situation is ugly, but the rest of it works so well I >>>> continue to hope that it might be updated. >>>> >>>> Just out of curiosity, have you tried mailscanner? >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 12:15 PM Janky Jay, III <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, it is no longer in ports since the project died >>>>> upstream and PHP7 on FBSD is unsupported. I was the port maintainer and >>>>> finally, but sadly, submitted its removal about 6 months ago. >>>>> >>>>> In all honesty, and it hurts me in my soul to say this, I would highly >>>>> suggest moving away from Maia-Mailguard. I ended up migrating to Rspamd >>>>> (very easy migration) which takes a more modern approach and no longer >>>>> requires a web UI. Spam/Ham is learned via IMAP mail movements so there >>>>> isn't any user interface to maintain. Makes things very simple and you can >>>>> incorporate all kinds of goodies with it from SpamAssassin scoring to >>>>> ClamAV scanning to blacklist/whitelist to DMARC/SPF, etc... I just really >>>>> don't want to see anyone taking a hit by running such a vulnerable version >>>>> of PHP. >>>>> >>>>> Just my two cents. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/9/25 01:02PM, jjs - mainphrame wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I know of several mailguard users on FreeBSD. >>>>> >>>>> If it's not in ports, I think it comes from this repo - >>>>> https://github.com/technion/maia_mailguard >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 11:49 AM jason hirsh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. I really liked Mailguard Bur.. I am on FreeBSD >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 9, 2025, at 2:43 PM, jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Some have reported issues reading the text in my OP, so here's a >>>>>> screenshot >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 10:32 AM jjs - mainphrame <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My os upgrades for the maia service here are complete, to the >>>>>>> extent possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Everything runs beautifully on Debian 13, with the exception, of >>>>>>> course, of the web portal, which must for now at least, remain on >>>>>>> php 7. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If only The web component could be updated, maia would be golden. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Old New >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> maia servers >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> os Debian 11 Debian 13 >>>>>>> maiad 1.0.4.1524 1.0.4.1524 >>>>>>> postfix 3.5.25 3.10.4 >>>>>>> spamassassin 3.4.6 4.0.1 >>>>>>> clamav 1.09 1.4.3 >>>>>>> perl 5.32 5.40 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> db server >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> os Centos 7 Debian 13 >>>>>>> db mariadb 5.5.68 mariadb 11.8.3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> web portal >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> os Debian 11 >>>>>>> httpd 2.4.65 >>>>>>> php 7.4.33 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> pop/imap server >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> os Centos 7 Debian 13 >>>>>>> pop/imap dovecot 2.2.36 dovecot 2.4.1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Maia-users mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users >>>>>>> >>>>>> <maia-migration.png>_______________________________________________ >>>>>> Maia-users mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Maia-users mailing [email protected]://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Maia-users mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users >>>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maia-users mailing [email protected]://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maia-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > Maia-users mailing [email protected]://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users > > _______________________________________________ > Maia-users mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users > _______________________________________________ Maia-users mailing list [email protected] http://www.renaissoft.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/maia-users