Re: Zoe not fetching reclassified mesages from Popfile

Ming-Li <mingwang <at> i2.itl.nctu.edu.tw> writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Julian Eade <audioone <at> internode.
on.net> wrote:
> 
> > I'm using Zoe 0.61 with Popfile v22.1 - using X-Text Classification to flag 
> > spam. It works fine except that Zoe is not fetching messages that 
> > Popfile originally classified as Spam, that I've reclassified as ham 
> > in Popfile. As I'm using Zoe to fetch from Popfile and Opera M2 to fetch
> >  from Zoe, I'm losing those reclassified messages completely.
> 
> Never used Popfile and new to Zoe myself, but here's what I know. Mail
> filtering software like POPFile doesn't hold any mail itself. It serves
> as a middleman between your mail server and client, and inserts header
> information into the messages it processes.
> 
> ZOE relies on such header information (as defined in
> SpamHeader.properties) to decide what to classify as spam. The decision
> is done when ZOE retrieves mail, and mail categorized as spam never
> enters ZOE's mail database.
> 
> When you reclassify a message in Popfile, you're only giving it an
> instruction that "this message should not be treated as spam", so it'll
> do a better job next time. Since Popfile doesn't have a mail database,
> it doesn't really "relabel" any message, and certain doesn't send any
> message to Zoe.
> 
> I don't know how you can tell Zoe to re-retrieve a message. What I do
> is to set up my email client (Opera in your case) to retrieve mail from
> your server directly, so it'll get the spam. When I see a mis-treated
> message, in addition to reclassifying it in Spampal (Popfile for you),
> I also export the message to a text file (mbox or eml), edit out the
> spam info in the header with a text editor, re-import it from the text
> file, and then re-send the message to Zoe. I would love to know if
> there's an easier way.


Thanks for your clear and considered reply. It's my understanding that Popfile 
does, temporarily, store a copy of a message and I was hoping that there might 
be some way of having Zoe access that. However, I think that since posting I'd 
worked out that, having dealt with a message once, Zoe was never going to come 
back for a second look. It does seem to me that the beauty of using Popfile and 
Zoe in series with my mail client, is that the spam is eliminated, not at it's 
source, but at the beginning of my end of the chain. I guess that if there has 
to be a price, then this difficulty is that price!

I have found that if I go directly to the ISP's POP server, and re-send the 
message (after reclessifying in POPFile) it will then be treated correctly. So 
as long as you are able to look directly at your POP server you may find this an 
easier way than the method you are using at present. I redirect the message to a 
different account, but if that isn't convenient for you then sending the message 
back to yourself may well do the trick.

Like you, I'd love to know if there is an easier way.

> 






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