Re: Armond White

She hasn't been - she's slated to play Selena Kyle. I presumed she's going
to eventually become Catwoman, but she could just be Bruce Wayne's love
interest and not show up as Catwoman at all. Nolan has a track record of
introducing familiar names before they become their sinister altar-egos and
this could continue that trend.

Coleman Reese before he becomes The RIddler - Mr. Reese (similar to E.
Nigma, both ways of suggesting mysteries):
http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Coleman_Reese

William Fitchner played the Bank manager in TDK. I thought he was being set
up to be The Penguin.
http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Bank_manager

With the manager's shotgun then unloaded, the Joker sprang up and shot him.
> Shortly before the Joker left, the Manager chastised him about how he lacked
> honor, even by criminal standards, and questioned him what he believed in.
> The Joker then shoved a canister into the manager's mouth, and revealed his
> true identity, stating "I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you
> - stranger". As the Joker drove off with the money and the manager's
> shotgun, a string attached to the Joker yanked the safety pin out of the
> canister in the manager's mouth. Instead of exploding, it released fumes of
> an unknown nature. The manager groaned as his head sagged.
>

Watching that scene, I could swear he utters the Penguin's singular sound
when he first addresses the crooks.

I know I'm missing at least one more. I think there were perhaps numerous
others, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. It's
entirely possible Selena Kyle would only be introduced as a pre-Catwoman
love interest for Bruce Wayne.

Johne Cook
| http://raygunrevival.com | http://authorculture.blogspot.com |


On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Karl <[email protected]> wrote:

> I would have to think about it.  I think Carey could have but he was
> tainted by his Riddler role in the earlier movies.  I am sure more than
> just a short few could have, but that is a silly effort really, the role is
> so iconic now that no one would pass muster.
>
>
>
> And I really disagree at least somewhat, Iam not convinced that the role
> would have been Oscar worthy without his death.
>
>
>
> The thing is that Nicholson had to play a straight villain first, thentransition to the role via the accident, whereas Ledger had the transmuted
> role from the start.  Nicholson had in my opinion a harder part on some
> ways.  And yea, he was Nicholson, that’s hard to get past.  But he really
> played the part well.
>
>
>
> The two roles are different enough and the overall movies different enough
> that comparisons are tough.
>
>
>
> So what is your take on Hathaway being tagged for catwomen in the next
> one?
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Johne Cook
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:19 PM
>
> *To:* DADL (off topic)
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] Armond White
>
>
>
> Holy moly. I thought Ledger's take was much deeper, much more interesting.
> Nicholson was chewing scenery, and I never could get past it was Jack
> Nicholson. Ledger vanished into the role and made The Joker a multi-faceted,
> complex character. How much of that was the script, how much was the
> direction, how much was Ledger himself? Let's put it this way - name another
> actor you think who could have plugged into that same role and have had the
> same impact. Imo, it would be a very short list. Ledger, in my mind,
> eclipsed the part and really became the character. Setting aside his tragic
> death after the film wrapped but before it hit theaters, I think he would
> have won his Oscar for that role in that picture regardless of the
> competition.
>
> Johne Cook
> | http://raygunrevival.com | http://authorculture.blogspot.com |
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Karl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Yes, that freaking rasp just drives me nutty.
>
>
>
> I dunno, my relationship with batman is forever tainted, I think, by my
> early indoctrination to the tv series and to the cartoons.
>
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>
> J
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>
>
> But the mid movies were also interesting.  Ledgers joker was certainly well
> played, but nowhere as menacing to me as Nicholson.
>
>
>
> I dunno, they all spin in such different directions, it is hard to say what
> I favor.
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Findlay
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:50 PM
>
>
> *To:* DADL (off topic)
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] Armond White
>
>
>
> No problem but thanks.
>
>
>
> One of the things that got pointed out to me about Bale's performance was
> the ridiculous raspy voice.  I can watch the movie now without fixating on
> that.  He used the same voice in the last Terminator movie, (which was
> unfairly underrated IMO).
>
>
>
> I still like the Dark Knight though, but I thought Batman Begins was
> overall a better movie.
>
>
>
> Mike F.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Karl <[email protected]>
> *To:* DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thu, January 20, 2011 3:42:43 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] Armond White
>
> Sorry if you thought that directed to you.
>
>
>
> Honestly I directed that more to the overboard swooning I saw immediately
> after his death and such.
>
>
>
> It was well played, but yea, it was over the top, though I thought Bale’s
> performance was more so.
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Findlay
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:20 PM
> *To:* DADL (off topic)
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] Armond White
>
>
>
> I didn't say it was a difficult performance, I've always maintained that
> acting crazed is among the easiest acting tasks there are.  But I still
> think it was a wonderful performance, even if over the top.  It was cool to
> watch someone having an absolute blast sinking their teeth into that role.
>
>
>
> And I'm not swooning over it because of his death.
>
>
>
> Mike F.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Karl <[email protected]>
> *To:* DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thu, January 20, 2011 3:12:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] Armond White
>
> Ok I guess I am in a different place on the Dark Knight.
>
>
>
> I thought Ledger was ok, but personally I think it was just his death that
> makes people swoon over it.
>
>
>
> It wasn’t that dark or profound at all, I have seen many other actors play
> similar roles equally well.
>
>
>
> In the end I was glad I watched the dark knight, but frankly I still think
> it and batman begins are overrated.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Findlay
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:09 PM
> *To:* DADL (off topic)
> *Subject:* Re: [DADL-OT] Armond White
>
>
>
> I liked The Dark Knight but I've also heard enough critcism of it to come
> to terms that without Heath Ledger's Joker the film wouldn't be much above
> average.  That being said I don't thihnk I agree with White, (haven't read
> the full review yet), but you have to admit he has a point with this: .
>
>
>
>
>
> ."...because it <The Dark Knight> doesn’t require viewers to feel those
> discredited virtues, “hope” and “faith.” Like Hellboy II, this kind of
> sci-fi or horror or comics-whatever obviates morality. It trashes belief
> systems and encourages childish fantasies of absurd macho potency and
> fabulous grotesqueries. "
>
>
>
>
>
> But I'm with you on Black Dahlia.  I don't think it is comparable at all to
> The Dark Knight and to bring it up as such pokes big holes in any critique
> of The Dark Knight.  And it was at best a mildly entertaining, yet
> completely forgetable movie.
>
>
>
> Mike F.
>
>
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