Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Wow... My first time defending someone...

To be clear, you were answered with a much longer answer, that was
punctuated with the genocide question.

You said: 
	"So why is it bad? I hear a lot of screaming...and frankly not a
single good reason as to why"

He responded: 
	
"http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june02/bush_speech_6-24.html

	"This means that the Israeli occupation that began in 1967 will be
ended through a settlement negotiated between the parties, based on U.N.
Resolutions 242 and 338, with Israeli withdrawal to secure and recognized
borders."

	This is the closest that anyone can say that Bush came to endorsing
pre-67 borders, However, the emphasis was on *secure* borders and the pre-67
borders were not secure. The problem is that Israel has always been willing
to trade land for peace - witness the giveback of the Sinai - but a
precondition has been recognition of Israel's right to exist and everyone,
but the Egyptians, to a limited extent, has denied that. Israel has always
been willing to exchange land for peace. The others have never been willing
to exchange peace for anything but the annihilation of the Jewish people. 

	Personally, I'm of the opinion that if you attack your neighbor and
then lose your land in the attack, it should stay lost - that's the penalty
you pay for breaching the peace. The burden should be on those who want to
destroy Israel to explain why the Jews shouldn't be able to return to their
homeland.

	I would like to know why you favor the genocide of the Jews?"


So the question had some grounding and was what he considered to be the
logical consequence of the situation.

BTW, I have had the same thing done to me by people here, take something I
said and run down the line to what they consider a logical conclusion.  I
agree it sucks, but we have all done it, and your acting the martyr here is
ironic.



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>Seriously, Thom I can understand why someone else, (don't know who and 
>don't really care), figured it was pointless arguing with you about 
>this.  You are denying historical, political, diplomatic, and practical
reality.

That would imply there was an argument.  Again, because you and Karl seemed
to have missed this, the accusation wasn't made based on my comment of the
Bush and Obama approach being essentially the same.  I asked for
clarification of what was so terrible in the speech.  I got no answer the
first time.  I asked a second time.  I was answered with "Why do you support
the genocide of the Jews?"  And when I bowed out based on cheap shots and
insults?  The answer was not an explanation or clarification or an attempt
at peace it is "good, you are stupid."  And later calling me an idiot.  Hey,
unlike Israel or Palestinian die-hards, I am trying to take the information
in and understand he whole picture...not just one side of it.



Thom
http://thomwade.wordpress.com/
http://www.cafepress.com/Thomwade
http://www.in-one-ear.com
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