Re: Marine killed in his own home

"Vanessa Guerena says she heard noise outside their home about 9 a.m.
Thursday and woke her husband who had just gone to bed after working a
12-hour shift at the Asarco Mine, she said. There were no sirens or shouts
of "police," she said."

>The helmet cam video clearly disputes that.<


There was 8-10 seconds of siren moments before the raid.  Police siren, car 
alarm?  I lived in lousy neighborhood for awhile a number of years ago - police 
sirens were routine and we never thought anything about them.  


Shouts of police?  The camera/mic is a ways away so it is hard to say for sure 
what was said by the cops at the door, but "clearly disputes that" ain't clear 
at all.  Apparently the neighbors don't recall hearing a siren, which is 
completely understandable if you have ever lived in a marginal neighborhood. 


http://www.theagitator.com/2011/05/26/video-of-the-pima-county-swat-raid/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+radleybalko+%28The+Agitator%29



>I speak in no way of justifying the raid or his death.  But one initial
thought is that with sirens blaring outside and police identifying
themselves loudly, it is an act of stupidity to arm yourself.   <

They weren't identifying themselves loudly immediately before entering.  There 
sure wasn't any shouting going on.  When you are in your own home doing nothing 
illegal you have every right in the world to arm yourself if you feel 
threatened.  Assholes wearing a badge does not deprive you of that basic right.  
Note he didn't come out shooting and there isn't even evidence that he pointed 
the weapon at the pigs.  



>I also want to point out that fact he had not shot and the gun was on safety
is not relevant, nor is his being a Marine.  That fact he was holding it did
make him a threat and in many other settings if a police officer saw a man
holding a weapon there would be justification for deadly force.<

No it wouldn't.  Holding a weapon is not an absolute justification for deadly 
force.  Deadly force has to be proportionate and it wasn't.  71 shots to none, 
into a home with possible unarmed occupants, including shots fired blindly by 
some cowboy pig is not justifiable deadly force.


>The real issue we should be debating is why his home was selected for a raid
in the first place, because that element is the primary point of failure if
he had no drugs or money.  In almost all of the cases I have been reading
about that has been a huge factor.<

That isn't the "real" issue we should be debating, it just adds to the 
despicable conduct of these jackbooted thugs.  Not only did they act 
murderously, they are entirely without any excuse.  


http://reason.com/blog/2011/05/22/jose-guerena-evidence-dont-buy


Mike F. 
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