Re: Marine killed in his own home

According to John Lott, gun researcher extraordinaire, the one statistic that 
isn't kept is how many times the mere brandishing of a weapon prevents further 
crime.  And it has long been said that the most frightening sound to hear in the 
dark, especially for a home invader, is the racking of a pump action shotgun.  


Its not violence, necessarily, but rather the threat of violence that deters a 
home invader.  Depending on the home invader of course, the threat of violence 
may be enough to scare them off.  If it isn't, at least you have a fighting 
chance to defend yourself, because one that isn't deterred by the threat of 
violence is very unlikely to be swayed by a plea for mercy.

Mike F.  




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From: Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 4:06:42 PM
Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home

But this continues to evade the bottom line, which is *why* he even had a 
sword... er, gun. *Why* did he grab it when he thought his house was being 
invaded? What did he intend to do with it? And let's not employ vague, 
non-useful terms like "defend his property," let's use specific descriptions.



On May 27, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Johne Cook <[email protected]> wrote:

> He worked in a *mine*, so I'd say he lived by a pick. What we're saying here
> is that he still died by the sword, even though he wasn't attacking with it.
> Simply owning a sword shouldn't mean you should die by one. This is a
> fundamental change in law enforcement, and I rank it right up there with the
> privacy freedoms we've lost at the airport at the sweaty hands and groping
> fingers of the TSA.
> 
> Johne Cook
> | http://raygunrevival.com | http://authorculture.blogspot.com |*
> *
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Paul Christian Glenn 
<[email protected]>wrote:
> 
>> But you know what? If the rape victim put on revealing clothes and walked
>> through the back alleys of a bad neighborhood at night, she was not acting
>> in her own best interest. In no way does this excuse rape (just as I don't
>> excuse the police in this situation), but it *does* make the rape
>> unsurprising.
>> 
>> I understand that everyone wants to blame someone when this stuff happens,
>> but I want it to be clear that I'm not blaming or excusing anyone. I'm only
>> pointing out that when you live by the sword, you're likely to die by the
>> sword. That's not a judgement, it's just a fact, and one that our culture
>> can't seem to figure out, for whatever reason.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 27, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow, that to me, is like blaming the rape victim for her "slutty attire".
>>> 
>>> Mike F.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
>>> To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 3:20:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home
>>> 
>>> I'm not excusing anyone, least of all the killers. I'm only pointing out
>> a fact,
>>> which us that this guy isn't dead because his home was raided. He's dead
>> because
>>> *when* his home was raided, he responded by grabbing a shotgun.
>>> 
>>> Whether the raid was justified is irrelevant to the point I'm making,
>> which is
>>> that if he'd responded peacefully, he would be able to sue the police
>> himself,
>>> instead of his wife doing it in his memory.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 27, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Johne Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'd guess because he was a Marine, because there was a history of
>> break-ins
>>>> in the area, and because he was a homeowner taking responsibility for
>> his
>>>> family. But none of that is really the point. What he does in his own
>> home
>>>> is kind of his business. The SWAT team is responsible not to fire unless
>>>> fired upon. (I've played through a number of close quarters combat
>> games,
>>>> and they practice that very thing over and over, and drill that into you
>>>> that you can't just go firing indiscriminately. The SWAT guys fucked up
>>>> here, not the homeowner, and now he's dead and they're excused because
>> they
>>>> represent the government.)
>>>> 
>>>> Johne Cook
>>>> | http://raygunrevival.com | http://authorculture.blogspot.com |*
>>>> *
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Paul Christian Glenn
>>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Why was he holding a weapon? As you said, details matter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 27, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So holding a weapon is violence?  I can't tell you the number of times
>> I
>>>>> have
>>>>>> committed violence.  And I've gotten real nasty and even fired the
>>>>> things.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike F.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Paul Christian Glenn <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 2:51:55 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm adamantly against killing people, period. As I said, this guy
>> didn't
>>>>> exactly
>>>>>> deserve to die, but he chose violence when violence was visited upon
>> him,
>>>>> and
>>>>>> this is the result. Somebody was in the right, somebody was in the
>> wrong,
>>>>>> accusations will fly furiously, lives will be devastated -- and in the
>>>>> end it's
>>>>>> one more guy who died with a weapon in his hands. One more tragic
>> symptom
>>>>> of a
>>>>>> society addicted to violence.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 27, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Mike Findlay <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And a sheep to acquiesce to govt. intrusion, control and execution,
>> (I
>>>>> thought
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Paul was adamantly against the death penalty), so blithely.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mike F.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Bruce Geerdes <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: DADL (off topic) <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 2:41:07 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Paul Christian Glenn <
>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> If you're calling me a sheep, I'd ask why I'm a sheep for
>> subscribing
>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>> different ideology than yours. You're just following someone else's
>>>>> lead,
>>>>>> sir.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think Mike was going more for a "sheep to the slaughter" allusion.
>>>>>>> 
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