Re: Marine killed in his own home

Karl,
I have to tell you, you've been arguing both sides (and all sides, and God
knows what sides) of posts for as long as I've known you, but especially
this week. I love you, buddy, but you're not always the easiest list-mate,
and this week you've been especially onerous. We put up with you, but you
should know that you're a burr in the saddle on the best of days, and a real
a$$ on the worst of days. Bruce over-reacted earlier this week, but he had
cause. This has not been your best week.

I've been consistent in my discussion of this case (and cases like it). I
believe in homeowner's rights, the right to bear arms, the right to self
defense. I've taken a stand, and if that means that I die with 71 holes in
me, at least there won't be any question of where I stood on the issue. I
have no clue where you stand because you keep moving and calling it 'logic
and reason.' It would be easier to have a conversation if you'd pick a
stance and stick to it. "You'll all wrong (and you're all right)" isn't a
stance, it's a contrarian reaction. (As a closet contrarian myself, I know
whereof I speak.)

I don't expect you to change (although that would be nice). I do expect you
to at least think about what I've written here with the hope that maybe
you'll ask God if there's any truth to it at all, and perhaps bend the knee
to Him, if you won't to the rest of us, your friends, your debate opponents
and allies.

And if this sounds overly arrogant and terribly unpolitically correct of me,
well. I'm a little tired of seeing my friends threaten to leave the list
because you're too stubborn to rein in your bulldog tendencies and won't
ever admit you're wrong about any freaking thing. It gets old.

Johne Cook
| http://raygunrevival.com | http://authorculture.blogspot.com |*
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On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Karl Swenson <[email protected]>wrote:

> I am not.
>
> I am pointing out how much is assumptive and knee jerk here when the actual
> facts show pretty much nothing.
>
> All we are doing is using this to nurse our pet peeves and that's fine, but
> quit pretending we are discussing the case anymore.
>
> I don't have a problem pointing out when logic and reason get hammered by
> emotion.
>
> This was an isolated event that needs to be fully investigated and the
> parties responsible for it held accountable.  I have never said otherwise.
> My initial point was that using this to justify ending the drug war is
> pointless.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Johne Cook
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 2:24 PM
> To: DADL (off topic)
> Subject: Re: [DADL-OT] Marine killed in his own home
>
> I established my bona fides in the tangent. No need to revisit them again
> just because you aren't accepting them.
>
> Karl, reading your posts in this thread is aggravating. Usually, people
> come
> at something from a clear perspective. You're arguing both sides of the
> thread and embellishing your own tangential points. It's almost as if you
> enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing. There's no joy down that road.
>
> Johne Cook
> | http://raygunrevival.com | http://authorculture.blogspot.com |*
> *
>
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Karl Swenson <[email protected]
> >wrote:
>
> > I assume you base this on intimate knowledge of their training?  This
> > department in specific?
> >
> > The death was a sad mistake, and one he may have contributed to.  His
> > being shot and left to die and the paramedics barred is the worst
> tragedy.
> >
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