Re: Joining the project

Graham Booker <[email protected]> Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:06:42 -0500
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Sending this to fire-dev so they can weigh in on the issues as well.

OK, I have been giving this some thought lately, and this is what I  
think is the best course of action given the reason for the frameworks:
The frameworks are there in a binary form for one reason.  Getting  
the frameworks for libiconv, libxml2, libxslt, and libexstl to work  
on OS 10.[2-4] is very difficult.  I had to go through some  
convoluted building processes to get it right building on 10.2 (And  
no, the cross-development SDK does not work here, annoying, but  
true).  I suspect that AGRegex will have no problems whatsoever.

For the intel port, we have the following circumstance.  A universal  
binary will only be able to be built on Tiger (since the new Xcode  
only runs on Tiger).  Secondly, the Intel side of this port will only  
run on Tiger (since it is the first release OS for the Intel side).   
Third, libiconv, libxml2, libxslt, and libexstl all exist in Tiger  
(in /usr/lib/ as dylib's not frameworks).  So, I suggest that we make  
the Intel side of the build use the libraries provided by Tiger and  
ignore those in the Frameworks directory.

That only leaves AGRegex, whose source is available here: http:// 
sourceforge.net/projects/agkit/

I think that is all you will need. I would be interested to know how  
this goes.  Any comments from those on fire-dev?

On Jun 24, 2005, at 7:23 AM, Robert Townsend wrote:

> Hello Graham.
>
> I am new to the project and at this point I am currently just  
> walking through the code to get up to speed. However, I have just  
> recently received my Develop Transition Kit from Apple and would  
> like to start working on creating universal binaries. Do you know  
> where I can get the sources for the embedded frameworks mentioned  
> below?
>
> Thanks
>
> Robert Townsend
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Jason Townsend <[email protected]>
>> Date: June 22, 2005 4:49:43 PM CDT
>> To: Robert Townsend <[email protected]>
>> Cc:          Booker <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: Joining the project
>>
>>
>> The main thing we need to do for Intel support is to get a  
>> universal build of our embedded frameworks... right now those are  
>> binaries checked into our CVS server which Graham picked up from  
>> Colloquy I think. We need to get sources for those and do a  
>> universal build.
>>
>> After that it is just a matter of testing things out... we already  
>> compile under gcc 4 as far as I know and most of the low level  
>> stuff comes from libraries developed for Linux which already deal  
>> with byte swapping issues.
>>
>> Our configuration stuff is all plists which are endian agnostic,  
>> and most of the high level code is Cocoa which hopefully won't  
>> require any changes.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Robert Townsend wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jason.
>>>
>>> At this point, I think that I will spend a little time walking  
>>> though the code to get comfortable with everything. I will then  
>>> take a look at bugs and feature requests. I will also see what if  
>>> anything needs to be done for an Intel port, even though it is  
>>> probably a bit premature.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2005, at 1:41 PM, Jason Townsend wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 22, 2005, at 9:36 PM, Robert Townsend wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello. I would like to see if you need any help in the Fire  
>>>>> project. I have been using Fire for a couple of months and  
>>>>> would like to help out. I am an experienced software developer  
>>>>> but I have only been developing in Objective-C and X-Code for  
>>>>> about six months. I am also able to help in building Intel and  
>>>>> Universal Binaries as I have just received my Developer  
>>>>> Transition Kit today.
>>>>>
>>>>> At this point i have joined the fire-development mailing list  
>>>>> and I am now getting the latest source from cvs. Please let me  
>>>>> know if I can help and if there is anything else I should be  
>>>>> doing to get started.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Townsend
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at the list of bugs and feature requests on  
>>>> sourceforge and see if there's anything that interests you or  
>>>> that seems like a good starting point. If you have any  
>>>> contributions we typically ask that you start by sending patches  
>>>> in through the patch tracker and then become a committer once  
>>>> you have a few patches under your belt. Also, check out this  
>>>> page which goes into more detail:
>>>>
>>>> http://fire.sourceforge.net/development/developer.php
>>>>
>>>> You may also want to check out the Fire forums.
>>>>
>>>> http://fire.sourceforge.net/forums/
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to say welcome on behalf of the whole team... I look  
>>>> forward to working with you. Hopefully the fact that we have the  
>>>> same last name won't be too confusing for everyone. :)
>>>>
>>>> -Jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


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<HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; =
-khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>Sending this to fire-dev so =
they can weigh in on the issues as well.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>OK, I have been giving this =
some thought lately, and this is what I think is the best course of =
action given the reason for the frameworks:</DIV><DIV>The frameworks are =
there in a binary form for one reason.=A0 Getting the frameworks for =
libiconv, libxml2, libxslt, and libexstl to work on OS 10.[2-4] is very =
difficult.=A0 I had to go through some convoluted building processes to =
get it right building on 10.2 (And no, the cross-development SDK does =
not work here, annoying, but true).=A0 I suspect that AGRegex will have =
no problems whatsoever.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>For the intel port, we have =
the following circumstance.=A0 A universal binary will only be able to =
be built on Tiger (since the new Xcode only runs on Tiger).=A0 Secondly, =
the Intel side of this port will only run on Tiger (since it is the =
first release OS for the Intel side).=A0 Third,=A0libiconv, libxml2, =
libxslt, and libexstl all exist in Tiger (in /usr/lib/ as dylib's not =
frameworks).=A0 So, I suggest that we make the Intel side of the build =
use the libraries provided by Tiger and ignore those in the Frameworks =
directory.</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>That=
 only leaves AGRegex, whose source is available here:=A0<A =
href=3D"http://sourceforge.net/projects/agkit/">http://sourceforge.net/pro=
jects/agkit/</A></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I think that is all you =
will need. I would be interested to know how this goes.=A0 Any comments =
from those on fire-dev?</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 24, 2005, at 7:23 AM, =
Robert Townsend wrote:</DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">Hello =
Graham.<DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I am new to =
the project and at this point I am currently just walking through the =
code to get up to speed. However, I have just recently received my =
Develop Transition Kit from Apple and would like to start working on =
creating universal binaries.=A0Do you know where I can get the sources =
for the embedded frameworks mentioned below?</DIV><DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Robert =
Townsend</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: =
</B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">Jason Townsend &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV><DIV=
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margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: =
</B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">June 22, 2005 4:49:43 PM CDT</FONT></DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">Robert =
Townsend &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>&gt;</F=
ONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: =
#000000"><B>Cc:=A0</B><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#0000DD">=A0=
 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"> Booker &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>&gt;</FONT></DIV><DIV=
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margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" color=3D"#000000" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: =
</B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica"><B>Re: Joining the project</B></FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The main =
thing we need to do for Intel support is to get a universal build of our =
embedded frameworks... right now those are binaries checked into our CVS =
server which Graham picked up from Colloquy I think. We need to get =
sources for those and do a universal build.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top:=
 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">After that it =
is just a matter of testing things out... we already compile under gcc 4 =
as far as I know and most of the low level stuff comes from libraries =
developed for Linux which already deal with byte swapping =
issues.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Our configuration stuff is all plists which are =
endian agnostic, and most of the high level code is Cocoa which =
hopefully won't require any changes.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-Jason</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Jun =
22, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Robert Townsend wrote:</DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Thanks Jason.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">At this =
point, I think that I will spend a little time walking though the code =
to get comfortable with everything. I will then take a look at bugs and =
feature requests. I will also see what if anything needs to be done for =
an Intel port, even though it is probably a bit premature.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Thanks =
again.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Robert</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Jun 22, 2005, at 1:41 PM, =
Jason Townsend wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> =
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Jun 22, =
2005, at 9:36 PM, Robert Townsend wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top:=
 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hello. =
I would like to see if you need any help in the Fire project. I have =
been using Fire for a couple of months and would like to help out. I am =
an experienced software developer but I have only been developing in =
Objective-C and X-Code for about six months. I am also able to help in =
building Intel and Universal Binaries as I have just received my =
Developer Transition Kit today.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">At this point i have joined the =
fire-development mailing list and I am now getting the latest source =
from cvs. Please let me know if I can help and if there is anything else =
I should be doing to get started.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Thank you.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Robert =
Townsend</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Take a =
look at the list of bugs and feature requests on sourceforge and see if =
there's anything that interests you or that seems like a good starting =
point. If you have any contributions we typically ask that you start by =
sending patches in through the patch tracker and then become a committer =
once you have a few patches under your belt. Also, check out this page =
which goes into more detail:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://fire.sourceforge.net/development/developer.php">http://fire=
.sourceforge.net/development/developer.php</A></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">You may =
also want to check out the Fire forums.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://fire.sourceforge.net/forums/">http://fire.sourceforge.net/f=
orums/</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">I'd like to say welcome on behalf of the whole =
team... I look forward to working with you. Hopefully the fact that we =
have the same last name won't be too confusing for everyone. =
:)</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; ">-Jason</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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