Re: Improving the WHOIS format

As a long time user I would like to see the focus continue to be on bug fixing and imcreased functionality.

I'm not a developer and am unable to contribute to the project in that fashion but I don't see how the project is being dragged down by the continued focus on 
the above mentioned areas. In my opinion irssi continues to be the best IRC client available and would like to thank all past, present and future contributers 
to the project for their efforts.

Regards

Dylan


On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 07:25:17PM -0500, Charles Howard wrote:
> You obviously have a lot things you'd like to see changed so why not write
> your own IRC program since you seem to know how everything should be?
> 
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Dwayne Henderson <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > Look, all I'm saying is change the likes of "ircname" to "IRC name".
> >
> > Basically you're arguing that all development on Irssi should cease
> > because people are happy with the way things were.
> >
> > You don't like my ideas, fine. You wanna live in the past, fine. I just
> > hope you don't drag this project down with you.
> >
> > --Dwayne
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jase Thew <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/01/2012 13:55, Dwayne Henderson wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Jase Thew <[email protected]
> >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    Have you thought about all the people that are quite happy with this
> >>>    formatting? Why should they have to change their themes due to a
> >>>    change to just to suit your tastes?
> >>>
> >>>    The entire point of theming is that if you don't like the default,
> >>>    you are free to change it locally to something you do like.
> >>>
> >>>    Jase.
> >>>
> >>> They don't have to change a thing. What I meant was fixing it from the
> >>> source. It ain't about personal taste, just a desire to fix what's
> >>> incomplete and incorrect.
> >>>
> >>> --Dwayne
> >>>
> >>
> >> I undertsand what you're suggesting, but it appears you may have
> >> misinterpreted the point I was raising :
> >>
> >> >      Have you thought about all the people that are quite happy with >
> >>      this formatting? Why should they have to change their themes due >
> >>  to a change to just to suit your tastes?
> >>
> >> I was referring to people being happy with the *existing* formatting and
> >> how they would need to change their themes to keep that formatting should
> >> we change the default values as you propose.
> >>
> >> Irssi has default values for all of its formats stored internally (as a
> >> result of being defined in the source), so it will only save (to a theme
> >> file) formats that have had their value set (which I will call a custom
> >> value) in the current session (either manually via /format or by loading a
> >> theme file). The exception to this is when /save -formats is used instead
> >> of just /save. This causes *all* formats and their values to be written out
> >> to the theme file, not just the formats that have non-default values.
> >> Furthermore, if a custom value is not present Irssi will use its default
> >> value for that format when printformat'ing.
> >>
> >> So let's take the example of the whois formats you propose to change and
> >> let's assume there are a group of people who are happy with the existing
> >> default values for these formats. These people will not have any references
> >> to these formats in their theme file, so Irssi renders the whois output
> >> using its default values for these formats.
> >>
> >> Now suppose we change the default value for these formats as you propose
> >> - this would affect everyone who doesn't have a custom value for these
> >> formats. With the aforementioned people, if they wanted to keep the whois
> >> formatting they were already happy with, they would need to configure
> >> custom values in their theme file.
> >>
> >> So yes, changing the default value of formats will impact those people
> >> who have not overridden them and will affect those who are happy with the
> >> existing default values. Forcing such a change makes sense when a format's
> >> value is clearly incomplete or erroneous and needs to be corrected, but
> >> none whatsoever when the change is unnecessarily cosmetic at best.
> >>
> >> Jase.
> >>
> >>
> >