Re: FWB: Foss with benefits

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Hi Cecilie,

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:14 AM, L.Cecilie Wian <[email protected]>
wrote:

> So had a look at it.
>

Great!!

>
> AT: Simple is better, while wanting the parents (users) to be able steer
> the payments to whatever program they prefer is a nice idea, i fear the
> complexity may kill it.
>

Perhaps ... i did spend some time trying to design usage-tracking
mechanisms into the system and as you observed it got very messy.  Maybe if
other developers with experience here become involved it could work.
Aside from the implementation, though, my biggest concern is being in the
middle of it all, i.e. money considerations.  I still have hope that,
implementation-wise, complexity will be lower with direct allocation.  This
is at the top of my to-do list, i.e. a stand-alone proof-of-concept of the
slider idea.


So picking up some experience from other applications: Spotify. The base
> idea is that the artist i play gets the money, in addition they have a
> really intricate payment structure, that i , as the user, never sees.
>

Keyword: "intricate"!   Infrastructure developers would be needed, and more
than welcomed / appreciated.



> Flatter, a system i love the idea of, became to much work, and i forgot
> about it. So how about making it an system setting that can be changed?
> Autodistribute based on usage, and then forced distribution of the user i=
s
> interested? (what happens if they do not distribute payments?)
>

Yes, I also came to a similar conclusion ... but using the
slider-distribution idea, and then a "managed auto-distribution" plan if
they (parents) found the former to be too much trouble.

Detailed tracking seems like it's ripe for exploitation, too.  How could
you know if someone were just pumping-up their own usage stats?  The
"managed distribution" approach would still involve some tracking, i guess,
but hopefully there could be a manageable, less intricate way to implement.



The programs:
> I am mostly curious about your Forced reader. It seems like you got a new
> way of thinking about this. And thats good, this is a difficult problem,
> since, well, making it easy and automated (so the parents have an easy jo=
b)
> while still ensure the wanted action is taken.
>

These are just examples to demonstrate the potential, and that such things
are possible in a web environment, and to inspire others.   The take-away
message that I want everyone to get about the programs is that "the sky is
the limit".  We have a developer trying to make an interactive avatar app
for use with autistic children, and another quiz app which shows paintings
of famous artists and has the student identify the epoch, etc.


The program description, way to long and intricate, i assume it is b/c it
> is a draft, and that you will sharpen it. Take a look at some other proje=
ct
> description pages for things backed. Ops! I see you allready lanched the
> kickstarting for this. Can you make changes to the project when it is
> started?
>

Yes indeed.  Just realize that i've been a one-man-band until this point,
as far as websites and community-building ... although that's in the
process of changing.  My hope is that we can assemble the 2x communities
and infrastructure such that the whole system will come-together
simultaneously and just function.  Is there any way FSFE and/or other
heavyweight organizations reading this could publicly endorse the project
at this early stage?

Really glad for this discussion so far!  Thanks for all the thoughtful
inputs.

Charles Coss=C3=A9 <http://www.asymptopia.org/AboutAsymptopiaSoftware>
AutoTeach Project <http://www.asymptopia.org/autoteach>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Hi Cecilie,</span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:14 AM, L.Cecilie Wian <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">So had a look at it. <br></div=
></blockquote><div><br>Great!!<br></div>=C2=A0<blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div></div><div>AT: Simple is better,=
 while wanting the parents (users) to be able steer the payments to whateve=
r program they prefer is a nice idea, i fear the complexity may kill it.<br=
></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Perhaps ... i did spend some =
time trying to design usage-tracking mechanisms into the system and as you =
observed it got very messy.=C2=A0 Maybe if other developers with experience=
 here become involved it could work.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Aside from the implementat=
ion, though, my biggest concern is being in the middle of it all, i.e. mone=
y considerations.=C2=A0 I still have hope that, implementation-wise, comple=
xity will be lower with direct allocation.=C2=A0 This is at the top of my t=
o-do list, i.e. a stand-alone proof-of-concept of the slider idea.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 <br><div><br><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div>So picking up some experience from other=20
applications: Spotify. The base idea is that the artist i play gets the=20
money, in addition they have a really intricate payment structure, that i
 , as the user, never sees. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Keyword=
: &quot;intricate&quot;!=C2=A0=C2=A0 Infrastructure developers would be nee=
ded, and more than welcomed / appreciated.=C2=A0 <br><br></div><div>=C2=A0<=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><di=
v>Flatter, a=20
system i love the idea of, became to much work, and i forgot about it.=20
So how about making it an system setting that can be changed?=20
Autodistribute based on usage, and then forced distribution of the user=20
is interested? (what happens if they do not distribute payments?)</div></di=
v></blockquote><div>=C2=A0<br></div><div>Yes, I also came to a similar conc=
lusion ... but using the slider-distribution idea, and then a &quot;managed=
 auto-distribution&quot; plan if they (parents) found the former to be too =
much trouble.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br><br></div><div>Detailed tracking seems like i=
t&#39;s ripe for exploitation, too.=C2=A0 How could you know if someone wer=
e just pumping-up their own usage stats?=C2=A0 The &quot;managed distributi=
on&quot; approach would still involve some tracking, i guess, but hopefully=
 there could be a manageable, less intricate way to implement.<br></div><di=
v><br><div><div>=C2=A0</div></div><br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div></div><div>The programs:</di=
v><div>I am mostly curious about your Forced reader. It seems like you got =
a new way of thinking about this. And thats good, this is a difficult probl=
em, since, well, making it easy and automated (so the parents have an easy =
job) while still ensure the wanted action is taken.=C2=A0</div></div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>These are just examples to demonstrate the poten=
tial, and that such things are possible in a web environment, and to inspir=
e others.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The take-away message that I want everyone to get abo=
ut the programs is that &quot;the sky is the limit&quot;.=C2=A0 We have a d=
eveloper trying to make an interactive avatar app for use with autistic chi=
ldren, and another quiz app which shows paintings of famous artists and has=
 the student identify the epoch, etc.=C2=A0 <br></div><div>=C2=A0<br><br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
></div><div>The program description, way to long and intricate, i assume it=
 is b/c it is a draft, and that you will sharpen it. Take a look at some ot=
her project description pages for things backed. Ops! I see you allready la=
nched the kickstarting for this. Can you make changes to the project when i=
t is started?=C2=A0</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes indeed.=
=C2=A0 Just realize that i&#39;ve been a one-man-band until this point, as =
far as websites and community-building ... although that&#39;s in the proce=
ss of changing.=C2=A0 My hope is that we can assemble the 2x communities an=
d infrastructure such that the whole system will come-together simultaneous=
ly and just function.=C2=A0 Is there any way FSFE and/or other heavyweight =
organizations reading this could publicly endorse the project at this early=
 stage?=C2=A0 <br></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Really glad fo=
r this discussion so far!=C2=A0 Thanks for all the thoughtful inputs.=C2=A0=
 <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<a href=3D"http://www.asymptopia.org/AboutAsymptopiaSoftware">Charles Coss=
=C3=A9</a><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><a href=3D"http://www.asympt=
opia.org/autoteach">AutoTeach Project</a><br></div></div></div>

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