Re: IPv8 / BGP8 / CF

If you have worked in the large scale network world as long as you say you have, you’d know that 99.9999% of what comes out of universities at this point related to networks and network protocols is all pipe dreams and has no connection to reality. Here on NANOG you have the OPERATORS of the world largest networks, and they are all telling you, that you missed the mark, that should tell you something. 

Shane

> On Apr 30, 2026, at 4:06 PM, Jamie Thain via NANOG <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Larry,
> 
> Maybe, I am not sure the Nanog group has the same people, but some university
> students are working on it. 
> 
> I have one thing I am trying to finish. But let me ask you, 
> 
> I assume you run a pretty big network. And likely on 10.x.x.x as thats what
> everyone does. How much more convenient would it be to segment networks by
> internal ASN number I chose 127.x.x.x as local network. 
> 
> 127.<department>.<region>.floor. == 10 Billion IP addresses. 
> 
> Everything would be secured, isolated, managed, auditable. 
> 
> Jamie 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 4:32 PM Larry Brower <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> " People are planning to build ipv8 right now."
>> 
>> Are these people in the room with us?
>> 
>> 
>> ----
>> Larry Brower
>> Network Specialist
>> Texas Department of Insurance
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jamie Thain via NANOG <[email protected] [[email protected]]>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2026 2:29 PM
>> To: Joe Klein <[email protected] [[email protected]]>
>> Cc: North American Network Operators Group <[email protected]
>> [[email protected]]>; Jamie Thain <[email protected] [[email protected]]>
>> Subject: Re: IPv8 / BGP8 / CF
>> 
>> ATTENTION: This email came from an external source. Do not open attachments or
>> click on links from unknown or unexpected emails.
>> 
>> Joe,
>> 
>> No patent apps it's all free. Corp isn't moving off ipv4 to ipv6. So ipv8 is
>> an upgrade to ipv4.
>> 
>> So still need to fix the issues in ipv4/ipv6.
>> 
>> Like merging to companies both using 10.x
>> 
>> Unless a move is made ipv4 will still be running the warp drive.
>> 
>> People are planning to build ipv8 right now.
>> 
>> Jamie
>> 
>> On Thu., Apr. 30, 2026, 12:51 p.m. Joe Klein, <[email protected]
>> [[email protected]]> wrote:
>> 
>>> This is very funny!
>>> 
>>> - In 2004, very talented Chinese developers worked to implement IPv9.
>>> At present there are exclusive patents, but have yet to seen any code.
>>> 
>>> - Over 20 cumulative years, there are about 0.5–2 trillion IPv6
>>> address instances, with the high side is driven by mobile devices,
>>> Wi-Fi roaming, privacy-address rotation, VMs, containers, VPNs, and
>>> tunnels. In short, this covers the ocean floor, caves, areas near
>>> Earth, and deep space. Will you and your team pay for the IPv4/IPv6
>>> change? When will you submit the patent applications (Similary to Microsoft
>> patent for SEND/CGA)?
>>> 
>>> Have fun.
>>> 
>>> OO.
>>> 
>>> Joe Klein
>>> 
>>> "inveniet viam, aut faciet" --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II,
>>> Scene 1) "*I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has
>> been."
>>> -- *Wayne Gretzky
>>> "I never lose. I either win or learn" - Nelson Mandela
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 10:51 AM Tom Beecher via NANOG <
>>> [email protected] [[email protected]]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tough love is needed here, and the list is not providing it. You're
>>>>> not being polite, you're enabling.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Only works when the recipient is actually open to receiving feedback
>>>> and collaborating.
>>>> 
>>>> Reading Mr. Thain's replies here and on int-area answers that
>>>> question quite rapidly.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 2:35 AM Saku Ytti via NANOG <
>>>> [email protected] [[email protected]]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Tough love is needed here, and the list is not providing it. You're
>>>>> not being polite, you're enabling.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stop supporting this LLM psychosis.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>>    ++ytti
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NANOG mailing list
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> https://lis/ [https://lis/]
>>>> ts.nanog.org [http://ts.nanog.org]%2Farchives%2Flist%2Fnanog%
>> 40lists.nanog.org [http://40lists.nanog.org]%2Fmessage%2F
>>>> QAQPQMJT3AEGHZERA2XJW3WIWBAMHBAI%2F&data=05%7C02%7Clarry.brower%40tdi
>>>> .texas.gov [http://texas.gov]%7Cc3453c4609a743c6edf508dea6eee8e4%
>> 7C6c600c887a50421a9817a
>>>> 970a01aed2a%7C0%7C0%7C639131742220406986%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJF
>>>> bXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpb
>>>> CIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z68PupwkZzOUUeCDnys6LqnLWd%2BF
>>>> Qk%2BbKmyR7hWOvqk%3D&reserved=0
>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NANOG mailing list
>>>> 
>>>> https://lis/ [https://lis/]
>>>> ts.nanog.org [http://ts.nanog.org]%2Farchives%2Flist%2Fnanog%
>> 40lists.nanog.org [http://40lists.nanog.org]%2Fmessage%2F
>>>> YAH63OJ4IJ3GKNROAILZHO6YXQQ5NQ2S%2F&data=05%7C02%7Clarry.brower%40tdi
>>>> .texas.gov [http://texas.gov]%7Cc3453c4609a743c6edf508dea6eee8e4%
>> 7C6c600c887a50421a9817a
>>>> 970a01aed2a%7C0%7C0%7C639131742220433138%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJF
>>>> bXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpb
>>>> CIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=S8FDk5iZSahEvFlR2%2FTPr9d%2Fr5
>>>> tqYX%2FGJRcg2GFPfb4%3D&reserved=0
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NANOG mailing list
>> https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/
>> message/KMODQSXZM35D3SHAER4UGOBOTWP22BD3/
>> [https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/KMODQSXZM35D3SHAER4UGOBOTWP22BD3/]
> 
> [data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAP///wAAACwAAAAAAQABAAACAkQBADs=3D]
> _______________________________________________
> NANOG mailing list
> https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/YTOTVZJYZ4HG55MF6WGDTUKVQ54HHLVI/
_______________________________________________
NANOG mailing list 
https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/AGWEQZ6MQOGEFQS45F6MBDDEYR6UOLEV/