Re: What is bias? (Re: should we continue?)
Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]> Sun, 13 Aug 2017 03:45:43 +0000
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--===============3421138246277068134== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CO2PR01MB2040F6D589655F71669F2079C88F0CO2PR01MB2040prod_" --_000_CO2PR01MB2040F6D589655F71669F2079C88F0CO2PR01MB2040prod_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Google (rather Sundar Pichai ) just went out of its way to confirm the worst fears about the bias at Google and its adherence to the ideas of the extremist left. A few days ago, Google fired an employee who had in a company memo questioned diversity practices and its impact on quality of hires and work at Google. Clearly Sundar failed in his first major PR challenge as a CEO at Goggle. I would suggest him to immediately resign for making this mistake. The freedom of speech and diversity of opinion is sacrosanct in this country. A company that started with motto " Be no Evil", suddenly appears everything that it once opposed. Besides that, Google Brand stands severely damaged. This happens just as concerns are growing that Youtube (a Google product) targets the conservative video bloggers by denying them profits from their videos and placing them in an unfavorable position in search results. The worst thing to happen, if Google keeps acting as a thought police, is politicians joining hand and starting to regulate Google as a as a utility with equal opportunity to everyone just govt regulates some private property used for public purpose. I recall the Google's hiring practices from its early days in late 1990s and early 2000s. It used to have a big bill board on highway 101 in Silicon Valley with some complex mathematical problem, and anyone with a solution to the problem was urged to call google for a job. They also used to have cards with complex mathematic= al problem inside technical magazines to solve and get hired. They used to hire the best and the smartest. Watch an interview with James Damore, the employee who was fired by Google for speaking his mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ds4WoeOkj2Ng Here is an article that covers some of the reactions to this matter. The headline is a little provocative, but should not be surprising given the left inclination of "The Hill". http://thehill.com/search/site/james%20damore Sincerely, Ratnendra Pandey ________________________________ From: India-gii <india-gii-bounces+pandey=3Dhotmail.com-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]= > on behalf of Arun Mehta <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 4:15 AM To: Sunil Chandra Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [india-gii] What is bias? (Re: should we continue?) Bias is one of many factors that have an impact on the reliability of infor= mation. Anything posted here is critically examined by experts. So, if it p= asses muster here, it is more trustworthy, IMO. Arun Mehta On Apr 21, 2017 3:55 PM, "Sunil Chandra" <[email protected]<mailto:ch= [email protected]>> wrote: How do you define bias? Is our own thinking unbiased? This question has troubled me many times in past but haven't found the righ= t answer. Since, your statement brings an interesting connection between th= is list's purpose and my quest, it gives me a reason to raise this topic he= re. Sunil On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:32 AM, Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]<mailto= :[email protected]>> wrote: Thanks for saving me from going back to Facebook or Whatsapp. I have stopped patronizing Facebook and Google to the extent I can since th= ey starting inserting bias in their algorithms to influence the elections i= n favor of the candidate that lost. I do not trust google searches to give me an unbiased results. And I have = not visited my Facebook account for years. Sincerely, Ratnendra Pandey _______________________________________________ India-gii mailing list India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]<mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]> https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii --_000_CO2PR01MB2040F6D589655F71669F2079C88F0CO2PR01MB2040prod_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"><!-- P {margin-top:0;margi= n-bottom:0;} --></style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div id=3D"divtagdefaultwrapper" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font= -family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;" dir=3D"ltr"> <p><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Google (rather Sundar Pichai ) just wen= t out of its way to </span><br> </p> <div>confirm the worst fears about the bias at Google and its&n= bsp;</div> <div>adherence to the ideas of the extremist left. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>A few days ago, Google fired an employee who had in a company </d= iv> <div>memo questioned diversity practices and its impact on quality of = </div> <div>hires and work at Google.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Clearly Sundar failed in his first major PR challenge as a CEO </= div> <div>at Goggle. I would suggest him to immediately resign for making <= /div> <div>this mistake. The freedom of speech and diversity of </div> <div>opinion is sacrosanct in this country. A company </div> <div>that started with motto " Be no Evil", suddenly</div> <div>appears everything that it once opposed. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Besides that, Google Brand stands severely damaged.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>This happens just as concerns are growing that Youtube (a Google = product)</div> <div>targets the conservative video bloggers</div> <div>by denying them profits from their videos and </div> <div>placing them in an unfavorable position in search results.<= /div> <div><br> </div> <div>The worst thing to happen, if Google keeps acting</div> <div>as a thought police, is politicians joining hand = and starting </div> <div>to regulate Google as a <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">as a uti= lity with equal opportunity to</span></div> <div><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">everyone just govt regulates some&nbs= p;private property used for public purpose.</span></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>I recall the Google's hiring practices from its early days in </d= iv> <div>late 1990s and early 2000s. It used to have a big bill boa= rd on </div> <div>highway 101 in Silicon Valley with some complex mathematical </di= v> <div>problem, and anyone with a solution to the problem was urged to <= /div> <div>call google for a job. They also used to have cards <span style= =3D"font-size: 12pt;">with complex mathematical problem <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "= ;Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "= ;Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size:= 16px;"> inside technical magazines <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">to = solve </span></div> </span></div> <div>and get hired. They used to hire the best and the smartest. = </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Watch an interview with James Damore, the employee who was fired = </div> <div>by Google for speaking his mind.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ds4WoeOkj2Ng</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Here is an article that covers some of the reactions to this </di= v> <div>matter. The headline is a little provocative, but should not be <= /div> <div>surprising given the left inclination of "The Hill".</div> <div><br> </div> <div><a href=3D"http://thehill.com/search/site/james%20damore" class=3D"OWA= AutoLink" id=3D"LPlnk487535" previewremoved=3D"true">http://thehill.com/sea= rch/site/james%20damore</a><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Sincerely,</div> <div>Ratnendra Pandey</div> <br> <br> <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" co= lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> India-gii <india-g= ii-bounces+pandey=3Dhotmail.com-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]> on behalf of Ar= un Mehta <[email protected]><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 21, 2017 4:15 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Sunil Chandra<br> <b>Cc:</b> [email protected]<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [india-gii] What is bias? (Re: should we continue?)</fo= nt> <div> </div> </div> <div> <p dir=3D"ltr">Bias is one of many factors that have an impact on the relia= bility of information. Anything posted here is critically examined by exper= ts. So, if it passes muster here, it is more trustworthy, IMO.<br> Arun Mehta</p> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Apr 21, 2017 3:55 PM, "Sunil Chandra&quo= t; <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</= a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1= px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr">How do you define bias? <div><br> </div> <div>Is our own thinking unbiased?</div> <div><br> </div> <div>This question has troubled me many times in past but haven't found the= right answer. Since, your statement brings an interesting connection betwe= en this list's purpose and my quest, it gives me a reason to raise this top= ic here.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Sunil<br> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:32 AM, Ratnendra Pandey= <span dir=3D"ltr"> <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">pandey@hotmail.= com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1= px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div id=3D"m_7650050745517944529m_-655856905434583702divtagdefaultwrapper" = dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:12pt; color:#000000; font-family:Calibri,Ari= al,Helvetica,sans-serif"> <p>Thanks for saving me from going back to Facebook or Whatsapp.</p> <p><br> </p> <p>I have stopped patronizing Facebook and Google to the extent I can since= they starting inserting bias in their algorithms to influence the election= s in favor of the candidate that lost.</p> <p>I do not trust google searches to give me an unbiased results. And= I have not visited my Facebook account for years. </p> <p><br> </p> <p>Sincerely,</p> <p>Ratnendra Pandey</p> <br> <div class=3D"m_7650050745517944529hm m_7650050745517944529HOEnZb"><br> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> India-gii mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]">India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]= org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii" rel=3D"n= oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.india-gii.org/<wbr>mailman/listi= nfo/india-gii</a><br> <br> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_CO2PR01MB2040F6D589655F71669F2079C88F0CO2PR01MB2040prod_-- --===============3421138246277068134== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KSW5kaWEtZ2lp IG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdApJbmRpYS1naWlAbGlzdHMuaW5kaWEtZ2lpLm9yZwpodHRwczovL2xpc3Rz LmluZGlhLWdpaS5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9pbmRpYS1naWkK --===============3421138246277068134==--