Re: What is bias? (Re: should we continue?)
Kiritkumar Lathia <[email protected]> Sun, 13 Aug 2017 10:55:46 +0200
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--===============9084646079212144779== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0439745238e205569eb618" --94eb2c0439745238e205569eb618 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Freedom of speech does not mean misogyny and it is an abomination to defend this; the same way defending white superamist in the name of "freedom of speech". Sorry - I have strong views that all are created equal and specially in IT industry women have contributed a lot more than given credit for - look at the Apollo Space programme - please go and see the movie "Hidden figures" (easier for you I guess) or read about Ada Lovelece. The fired engineer deserves even worse and I hope no private industry hires him for such misogyny! Misogyny is a kind of hate speech - not freedom of speech! Get real!! Best wishes, On 13 August 2017 at 05:45, Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]> wrote: > Google (rather Sundar Pichai ) just went out of its way to > confirm the worst fears about the bias at Google and its > adherence to the ideas of the extremist left. > > A few days ago, Google fired an employee who had in a company > memo questioned diversity practices and its impact on quality of > hires and work at Google. > > Clearly Sundar failed in his first major PR challenge as a CEO > at Goggle. I would suggest him to immediately resign for making > this mistake. The freedom of speech and diversity of > opinion is sacrosanct in this country. A company > that started with motto " Be no Evil", suddenly > appears everything that it once opposed. > > Besides that, Google Brand stands severely damaged. > > This happens just as concerns are growing that Youtube (a Google product) > targets the conservative video bloggers > by denying them profits from their videos and > placing them in an unfavorable position in search results. > > The worst thing to happen, if Google keeps acting > as a thought police, is politicians joining hand and starting > to regulate Google as a as a utility with equal opportunity to > everyone just govt regulates some private property used for public purpose. > > > I recall the Google's hiring practices from its early days in > late 1990s and early 2000s. It used to have a big bill board on > highway 101 in Silicon Valley with some complex mathematical > problem, and anyone with a solution to the problem was urged to > call google for a job. They also used to have cards with complex > mathematical problem > inside technical magazines to solve > and get hired. They used to hire the best and the smartest. > > Watch an interview with James Damore, the employee who was fired > by Google for speaking his mind. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4WoeOkj2Ng > > Here is an article that covers some of the reactions to this > matter. The headline is a little provocative, but should not be > surprising given the left inclination of "The Hill". > > http://thehill.com/search/site/james%20damore > > Sincerely, > Ratnendra Pandey > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* India-gii <india-gii-bounces+pandey=hotm > ail.com-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]> on behalf of Arun Mehta <[email protected] > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 21, 2017 4:15 AM > *To:* Sunil Chandra > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [india-gii] What is bias? (Re: should we continue?) > > > Bias is one of many factors that have an impact on the reliability of > information. Anything posted here is critically examined by experts. So, if > it passes muster here, it is more trustworthy, IMO. > Arun Mehta > > On Apr 21, 2017 3:55 PM, "Sunil Chandra" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> How do you define bias? >> >> Is our own thinking unbiased? >> >> This question has troubled me many times in past but haven't found the >> right answer. Since, your statement brings an interesting connection >> between this list's purpose and my quest, it gives me a reason to raise >> this topic here. >> >> Sunil >> >> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:32 AM, Ratnendra Pandey <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for saving me from going back to Facebook or Whatsapp. >>> >>> >>> I have stopped patronizing Facebook and Google to the extent I can since >>> they starting inserting bias in their algorithms to influence the elections >>> in favor of the candidate that lost. >>> >>> I do not trust google searches to give me an unbiased results. And I >>> have not visited my Facebook account for years. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Ratnendra Pandey >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> India-gii mailing list >> India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected] >> https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii >> >> > _______________________________________________ > India-gii mailing list > India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected] > https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii > > --94eb2c0439745238e205569eb618 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Freedom of speech does not mean misogyny an= d it is an abomination to defend this; the same way defending white superam= ist in the name of "freedom of speech".</div><div><br></div>Sorry= - I have strong views that all are created equal and specially in IT indus= try women have contributed a lot more than given credit for - look at the A= pollo Space programme - please go and see the movie=C2=A0 "Hidden figu= res" (easier for you I guess) or read about Ada Lovelece.</div><div><b= r></div>The fired engineer deserves even worse and I hope no private indust= ry hires him for such misogyny! Misogyny is a kind of hate speech - not fre= edom of speech! Get real!!<br><br></div>Best wishes,<br></div><div class=3D= "gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 13 August 2017 at 05:45, Ra= tnendra Pandey <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote c= lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;= padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div id=3D"m_-1590698150933995178divtagdefaultwrapper" style=3D"font-size:1= 2pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif" dir=3D"ltr"> <p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Google (rather Sundar Pichai ) just went = out of its way to=C2=A0</span><br> </p> <div>confirm the worst fears =C2=A0about the =C2=A0bias at Google and its= =C2=A0</div> <div>adherence to the ideas of the =C2=A0extremist=C2=A0left.=C2=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>A few days ago, Google fired an employee who had in a company=C2=A0</d= iv> <div>memo questioned diversity practices and its impact on quality of=C2=A0= </div> <div>hires and work at Google.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Clearly Sundar failed in his first major PR challenge as a CEO=C2=A0</= div> <div>at Goggle. I would suggest him to immediately resign for making=C2=A0<= /div> <div>this mistake. The freedom of speech and diversity of=C2=A0</div> <div>opinion is sacrosanct in this country. A company=C2=A0</div> <div>that started with motto " Be no Evil", suddenly</div> <div>appears everything that it once opposed. =C2=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Besides that, Google Brand stands severely damaged.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>This happens just as concerns are=C2=A0growing that Youtube (a Google = product)</div> <div>targets=C2=A0the conservative video bloggers</div> <div>by denying them profits from their videos=C2=A0and=C2=A0</div> <div>placing them =C2=A0in an=C2=A0unfavorable position in search results.<= /div> <div><br> </div> <div>The worst thing to happen, =C2=A0if Google keeps acting</div> <div>as a=C2=A0thought police, =C2=A0is=C2=A0politicians joining hand=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0and starting=C2=A0</div> <div>to regulate Google as a=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">as a utili= ty with equal opportunity to</span></div> <div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">everyone just govt regulates some=C2=A0= private property used for public purpose.</span></div> <div>=C2=A0</div> <div>=C2=A0</div> <div>I recall the Google's hiring practices from its early days in=C2= =A0</div> <div>late 1990s =C2=A0and early 2000s.=C2=A0 It used to have a big bill boa= rd on=C2=A0</div> <div>highway 101 in Silicon Valley with some complex mathematical=C2=A0</di= v> <div>problem, and anyone with a solution to the problem was urged to=C2=A0<= /div> <div>call google for a job. They also used to have cards=C2=A0<span style= =3D"font-size:12pt">with complex mathematical problem <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif,EmojiFont,"Appl= e Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji",NotoColorEmoji,"Segoe U= I Symbol","Android Emoji",EmojiSymbols;font-size:16px"> inside =C2=A0technical magazines =C2=A0<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">to so= lve=C2=A0</span></div> </span></div> <div>and get hired. They used to hire the best and the=C2=A0smartest.=C2=A0= </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Watch an interview with James Damore, the employee who was fired=C2=A0= </div> <div>by Google for speaking his mind.</div> <div><br> </div> <div><a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ds4WoeOkj2Ng" target=3D"_b= lank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=3Ds4WoeOkj2Ng</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Here is an article that covers some of the reactions to this=C2=A0</di= v> <div>matter. The headline is a little provocative, but should not be=C2=A0<= /div> <div>surprising given the left inclination of "The Hill".</div> <div><br> </div> <div><a href=3D"http://thehill.com/search/site/james%20damore" class=3D"m_-= 1590698150933995178OWAAutoLink" id=3D"m_-1590698150933995178LPlnk487535" ta= rget=3D"_blank">http://thehill.com/search/<wbr>site/james%20damore</a><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Sincerely,</div> <div>Ratnendra Pandey</div> <br> <br> <div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%"> <div id=3D"m_-1590698150933995178divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"= font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><b>From:</b>= India-gii <india-gii-bounces+pandey=3D<a href=3D"mailto:hotmail.com@lis= ts.india-gii.org" target=3D"_blank">hotm<wbr>ail.com-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]</a= >> on behalf of Arun Mehta <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" t= arget=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 21, 2017 4:15 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Sunil Chandra<br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">ind= [email protected]</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [india-gii] What is bias? (Re: should we continue?)</fo= nt> <div>=C2=A0</div> </div> <div> <p dir=3D"ltr">Bias is one of many factors that have an impact on the relia= bility of information. Anything posted here is critically examined by exper= ts. So, if it passes muster here, it is more trustworthy, IMO.<br> Arun Mehta</p> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Apr 21, 2017 3:55 PM, "Sunil Chandra&quo= t; <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">chandra= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr">How do you define bias? <div><br> </div> <div>Is our own thinking unbiased?</div> <div><br> </div> <div>This question has troubled me many times in past but haven't found= the right answer. Since, your statement brings an interesting connection b= etween this list's purpose and my quest, it gives me a reason to raise = this topic here.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Sunil<br> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:32 AM, Ratnendra Pandey= <span dir=3D"ltr"> <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">pandey@hotmail.= com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div id=3D"m_-1590698150933995178m_7650050745517944529m_-655856905434583702= divtagdefaultwrapper" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;fon= t-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> <p>Thanks for saving me from going back to Facebook or Whatsapp.</p> <p><br> </p> <p>I have stopped patronizing Facebook and Google to the extent I can since= they starting inserting bias in their algorithms to influence the election= s in favor of the =C2=A0candidate that lost.</p> <p>I do not trust google searches =C2=A0to give me an unbiased results. And= I have not visited my Facebook account for years.=C2=A0</p> <p><br> </p> <p>Sincerely,</p> <p>Ratnendra Pandey</p> <br> <div class=3D"m_-1590698150933995178m_7650050745517944529hm m_-159069815093= 3995178m_7650050745517944529HOEnZb"><br> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> India-gii mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">India-gi= [email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii" rel=3D"n= oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.india-gii.org/ma<wbr>ilman/listi= nfo/india-gii</a><br> <br> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> India-gii mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]">India-gii-IAPFreCvJWP2/[email protected]= org</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.india-gii.org/mailman/listinfo/india-gii" rel=3D"n= oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.india-gii.org/<wbr>mailman/listi= nfo/india-gii</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div> --94eb2c0439745238e205569eb618-- --===============9084646079212144779== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KSW5kaWEtZ2lp IG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdApJbmRpYS1naWlAbGlzdHMuaW5kaWEtZ2lpLm9yZwpodHRwczovL2xpc3Rz LmluZGlhLWdpaS5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9pbmRpYS1naWkK --===============9084646079212144779==--