Re: Reasonable deal for pre-ordering Ubuntu tablets
Kathinka <[email protected]> Sat, 2 Apr 2016 18:07:05 +1300
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--===============6546150355607676221== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c1243b2d67e24052f7979a9 --94eb2c1243b2d67e24052f7979a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm not hostile about the choices of others, I'm brassed off that the choice I used to have and the type of mind (words not pictures, typing not prodding and stroking) some of us have plus the disabilities Reece mentioned, is ignored, disrespected. Choose to work on whatever project they want - go ahead and good luck to you. But please don't whimper when other people express their own difficulties with something you or anyone else has created. They create and it's my duty to dance the happy dance, or remain silent about the way they have changed things so as to make my life more difficult, is that the rule now? Just as well it doesn't apply to musicians, cabinetmakers and choreographers. I guess they are insensitive thick skinned types, or perhaps they (a) learn from public's feedback or (b) shrug it off because they are confident that in their work they achieved what they intended, to the standard they are satisfied with, no matter what anyone else says - reaction dependent on whether they think the feedback is worth taking notice of or not. Compare and contrast: "You obviously have no idea about what level-headed designers actually do. Design is all about communication ahead of anything else...". Communication meaning "we 'communicate', you adapt to our 'language' i.e. our form of communication or disappear, t.i.n.a." Because if you don't it proves you "have no idea" and by implication have no right to express your opinions - right? Kathinka. On 2 April 2016 at 16:04, Chris Burgess <[email protected]> wrote: > I joined this list because I've enjoyed using Linux for many years, and I > believe in the community & ideals of free software. > > Being hostile about the choices of others, including their decisions to > contribute to projects we aren't part of, or to use software we don't use, > is unlikely to contribute to helping others discover free software. Shall > we choose to not make that a part of DunLUG culture? > > One of the great things about free software is that if you don't like it, > the cost of not using or contributing is also free. There's no need to be > rude about, or swear at, projects that you don't favour or entire groups of > people (flesh or straw). > > On 2 April 2016 at 09:46, Kathinka <[email protected]> wrote: > >> By golly Reece, it's a much wider issue than mere preference! Thank you >> for pointing that out >> >> Where there has been a choice of how to display I have always chosen >> text, or icon + text. >> >> It was IMO a mistake to go one size fits all. Sure enough a phone can't >> be made for touch-typing, and one wouldn't want to carry a mouse around to >> use with the smart phone. Not however a good reason for downgrading >> tablets and PCs to match. Having one multipurpose "button" (e.g. touchpad) >> looks clean, streamlined therefore efficient. But to me it's like having >> only one sharp knife in a kitchen, the right size for some tasks, awkward >> and inefficient for others. >> >> Kathinka. >> >> On 2 April 2016 at 09:26, Reece Arnott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Short answer: yes. >>> Slightly longer answer: (my impression is) Canonical started moving in >>> this direction as they saw touch interfaces were going to be a thing but >>> they still wanted to users to have a similar experience even if they didn't >>> have a touch device. These tablets (and to a more limited extent the >>> smart-phone I linked to) are really the first test of whether this sort of >>> approach will actually work out. >>> >>> Similar sorts of experiments happened as the mouse became popular to >>> transition from pure keyboard driven interfaces. >>> >>> What I think is really going to be interesting though is how the >>> minorities are accounted for, eg. I have a friend who had his fingers >>> burnt/melted in a fire and doesn't have a single whole one left. How is >>> that going to be accommodated? Not to mention the obvious problem how the >>> blind are to use such an interface. >>> >>> On 01/04/16 17:03, Kathinka wrote: >>> >>> Is that Ubuntu the new (well, not really new now but I've avoided it) >>> GUI all pictures and scratch'n'sniff? >>> I'm very non-visual and find icons a pita, have to mentally translate >>> them into words every time, much prefer menus etc in words so as to save >>> time for getting on with whatever I want to use the tool for. Tough shit >>> if this upsets designer types who want to impose their post-verbal >>> art-ahead-of-communication passion on us without providing an easy switch >>> on/off to accommodate language people as well as pix-ies. >>> >>> On 30 March 2016 at 18:56, Reece Arnott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Pre-notice notice: I just realised an hour ago that all the DunLUG >>>> messages for at least the last month have ended up in Gmail's spam filter. >>>> If you get this then you won't be affected but feel free to pass the >>>> message on. >>>> >>>> Two 10.1 inch tablets that come with the mobile version of Ubuntu are >>>> available for pre-order. >>>> https://store.bq.com/gl/ubuntu-edition/ >>>> See http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet/features for some details. >>>> >>>> There is also a 5 inch smartphone at the same store that has a >>>> significantly higher resolution camera for 200 euros: >>>> <https://store.bq.com/gl/ubuntu-edition-e5/> >>>> https://store.bq.com/gl/ubuntu-edition-e5/ >>>> >>>> All say they come with Ubuntu 15.04. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Believing men would act in their own interest was not cynicism, it turned out, but sheerest optimism; in reality men do not meet so high a standard." >>> -- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (Chapter 84)http://hpmor.com/ >>> >>> Reece Arnott >>> Dunedin >>> New Zealand >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> DunLUG mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug >>> DunLUG Wiki - http://dunlug.kallisti.net.nz/ >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DunLUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug >> DunLUG Wiki - http://dunlug.kallisti.net.nz/ >> > > --94eb2c1243b2d67e24052f7979a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,= serif">I'm not hostile about the choices of others, I'm brassed off= that the choice I used to have and the type of mind (words not pictures, t= yping not prodding and stroking) =C2=A0some of us have plus the disabilitie= s Reece mentioned, is ignored, disrespected.=C2=A0 Choose to work on whatev= er project they want - go ahead and good luck to you.=C2=A0 But please don&= #39;t whimper when other people express their own difficulties with somethi= ng you or anyone else has created.=C2=A0 They create and it's my duty t= o dance the happy dance, or remain silent about the way they have changed t= hings so as to make my life more difficult, is that the rule now? =C2=A0</d= iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">Just as= well it doesn't apply to musicians, cabinetmakers and choreographers. = I guess they are =C2=A0insensitive thick skinned types, or perhaps they (a)= learn from public's feedback or (b) shrug it off because they are conf= ident that in their work they achieved what they intended, to the standard = they are satisfied with, no matter what anyone else says - reaction depende= nt on whether they think the feedback is worth taking notice of or not.</di= v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></di= v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">Compare = and contrast: "You obviously have no idea about what level-headed desi= gners actually do. Design is all about communication ahead of anything else= ...".=C2=A0 Communication meaning "we 'communicate', you = adapt to our 'language' i.e. our form of communication or disappear= , t.i.n.a." =C2=A0Because if you don't it proves you "have no= idea" and by implication have no right to express your opinions - rig= ht?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><= br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">K= athinka.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot= e">On 2 April 2016 at 16:04, Chris Burgess <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D= "mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a= >></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 = 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div= >I joined this list because I've enjoyed using Linux for many years, an= d I believe in the community & ideals of free software.</div><div><br><= /div><div>Being hostile about the choices of others, including their decisi= ons to contribute to projects we aren't part of, or to use software we = don't use, is unlikely to contribute to helping others discover free so= ftware. Shall we choose to not make that a part of DunLUG culture?</div><di= v><br></div><div>One of the great things about free software is that if you= don't like it, the cost of not using or contributing is also free. The= re's no need to be rude about, or swear at, projects that you don't= favour or entire groups of people (flesh or straw).</div></div><div class= =3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"= gmail_quote">On 2 April 2016 at 09:46, Kathinka <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">kathinka.dun= [email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot= e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">= <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,= serif">By golly Reece, it's a much wider issue than mere preference!=C2= =A0 Thank you for pointing that out</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style= =3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style= =3D"font-family:georgia,serif">Where there has been a choice of how to disp= lay I have always chosen text, or icon + text. =C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gm= ail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gm= ail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">It was IMO a mistake to go= one size fits all.=C2=A0 Sure enough a phone can't be made for touch-t= yping, and one wouldn't want to carry a mouse around to use with the sm= art phone.=C2=A0 Not however a good reason for downgrading tablets and PCs = to match.=C2=A0 Having one multipurpose "button" (e.g. touchpad) = looks clean, streamlined therefore efficient. But to me it's like havin= g only one sharp knife in a kitchen, the right size for some tasks, awkward= and inefficient for others.</div><span><font color=3D"#888888"><div class= =3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div class= =3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">Kathinka. =C2=A0</di= v></font></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu= ote"><div><div>On 2 April 2016 at 09:26, Reece Arnott <span dir=3D"ltr"><= ;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">reece.arnott@g= mail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu= ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex= "><div><div> =20 =20 =20 <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"> <div>Short answer: yes.<br> Slightly longer answer: (my impression is) Canonical started moving in this direction as they saw touch interfaces were going to be a thing but they still wanted to users to have a similar experience even if they didn't have a touch device. These tablets (and to a more limited extent the smart-phone I linked to) are really the first test of whether this sort of approach will actually work out.<br> <br> Similar sorts of experiments happened as the mouse became popular to transition from pure keyboard driven interfaces.<br> <br> What I think is really going to be interesting though is how the minorities are accounted for, eg. I have a friend who had his fingers burnt/melted in a fire and doesn't have a single whole on= e left. How is that going to be accommodated? Not to mention the obvious problem how the blind are to use such an interface.<span><br> <br> On 01/04/16 17:03, Kathinka wrote:<br> </span></div><span> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">Is that Ubuntu the new (well, not really new now but I've avoide= d it) GUI all pictures and scratch'n'sniff?</div> <div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif">I&= #39;m =C2=A0very non-visual and find icons a pita, have to mentally translate them into words every time, much prefer menus etc in words so as to save time for getting on with whatever I want to use the tool for.=C2=A0 Tough shit if this upsets designer typ= es who want to impose their post-verbal art-ahead-of-communication passion on us without providing an easy switch on/off to accommodate language people as well as pix-ies.</div> </div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 30 March 2016 at 18:56, Reece Arnott <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" t= arget=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord= er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Pre-notice notice: I just realised an hour ago that all the DunLUG messages for at least the last month have ended up in Gmail's spam filter. If you get this then you won't be affected but feel free to pass the message on.<br> <br> Two 10.1 inch tablets that come with the mobile version of Ubuntu are available for pre-order.<br> <a href=3D"https://store.bq.com/gl/ubuntu-edition/" rel=3D"nore= ferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://store.bq.com/gl/ubuntu-edition/</a><br> See <a href=3D"http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet/features" rel=3D"no= referrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet/features</a> for some details.<br> <br> There is also a 5 inch smartphone at the same store that has a significantly higher resolution camera for 200 euros: <a href= =3D"https://store.bq.com/gl/ubuntu-edition-e5/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target= =3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"https://store.bq.com/gl/ubuntu-edition-e5/" targ= et=3D"_blank">https://store.bq.com/gl/ubuntu-edition-e5/</a><br> <br> All say they come with Ubuntu 15.04.<br> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> </span><span><pre cols=3D"72">--=20 "Believing men would act in their own interest was not cynicism, it tu= rned out, but sheerest optimism; in reality men do not meet so high a stand= ard." -- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (Chapter 84) <a href=3D"http://hpmor.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://hpmor.com/</a> Reece Arnott Dunedin New Zealand </pre> </span></div> <br></div></div><span>_______________________________________________<br> DunLUG mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DunLUG@lists= .ethernal.org</a><br> <a href=3D"http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug</a><br> DunLUG Wiki - <a href=3D"http://dunlug.kallisti.net.nz/" rel=3D"noreferrer"= target=3D"_blank">http://dunlug.kallisti.net.nz/</a><br></span></blockquot= e></div><br></div> <br>_______________________________________________<br> DunLUG mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">DunLUG@lists= .ethernal.org</a><br> <a href=3D"http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">http://lists.ethernal.org/listinfo/dunlug</a><br> DunLUG Wiki - <a href=3D"http://dunlug.kallisti.net.nz/" rel=3D"noreferrer"= target=3D"_blank">http://dunlug.kallisti.net.nz/</a><br></blockquote></div= ><br></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> --94eb2c1243b2d67e24052f7979a9-- --===============6546150355607676221== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KRHVuTFVHIG1h aWxpbmcgbGlzdApEdW5MVUdAbGlzdHMuZXRoZXJuYWwub3JnCmh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5ldGhlcm5h bC5vcmcvbGlzdGluZm8vZHVubHVnCkR1bkxVRyBXaWtpIC0gaHR0cDovL2R1bmx1Zy5rYWxsaXN0 aS5uZXQubnov --===============6546150355607676221==--