Re: Agaves seen in cultivation in Tucson

Steve et.al.,
The pictured plant is quite different than the plants I have had pointed
out to me as 'Hummel' hybrdis. They are generally have much thinner
leaves, minimal or no teeth, and are various shade of green with various
shades of red to brown margins. There are also numerous leaves. This
plant is beautiful but it doesn't look the A. attenuata x A. shawii
hybrid that the Huntington and others are selling. That plants has
leaves of the shape and number of the one in the photograph, but the
teeth are much less prominent and so is the terminal spine. In addition,
the leaves are soft, nearly pliable, and just a bit darker than A.
attenuata. But then if these hybrids are being grown from seed, which
some were originally at least, there could be a number of 'types'
floating around.
Mary


Steve wrote:

>  Dear Breck,
>
> Here is a picture of Agave 'Edward Hummel' that I keep reading about.
>
> http://www.rth.org/occss/1998show/agave%20'edward%20hummel'_Thumb.jpg
>
> Could it be the same as Agave attenuata 'Red Margin', said to be a
> garden hybrid between A.attenuata and A.shawii? Does anyone have any
> more information on either hybrid and where the names were first
> published?
>
> http://www.cacti.com/assets/images/agatrm1.JPEG
>
>
> ttp://spazioweb.inwind.it/piantegrasse/schede_succulente/agave_attenuata%20red%20margin.htm
>
>
>
> Could Agave toumeyana var. "oenna" be a misspelling of Agave toumeyana
> var. bella, a small growing diploid variety of the species native to
> central Arizona? It is now named Agave toumeyana ssp. bella.
>
> http://www.dbg.org/Involved/agave_toumeyana.html
>
> http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Agavaceae/Agave_bella.html
>
>
> Gentry (1982) places Agave ocahui and A. pelona in different sections.
> The two are very different in flower. A.ocahui has the flowers on a
> very short thickened pedicel while A.pelona has flowers on an elongate
> slender pedicel.
>
> http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Agavaceae/Agave_ocahui.html
>
> http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Agavaceae/Agave_longifolia.html
>
> http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Agavaceae/Agave_pelona.html
>
> Cereusly Steve
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: catevala
>   To: [email protected]
>   Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:27 PM
>   Subject: [AGAVACEAE] Agaves seen in cultivation in Tucson
>
>
>   I went out to the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum outside of Tucson
> last
>   Friday with my two young sons.  They've really improved their
> signage
>   out there on plants since I was last there several months ago.  Lots
>
>   of people that day! from 4 Canadian Provinces and at least 25 states
>
>   judging by the license plates!
>
>   Anyway, whilst there I noticed some interesting agaves.  One was a
>   species called Agave toumeyana var. oenna (sp.?).  A real miniature.
>
>   Anyone know some basic info on this taxon?  Also seen in container
>   near the restaurant was a handsome hybrid labeled Agave x 'Edward
>   Hummel'.  Anyone know of this one and the parents?
>
>   Also I am a bit confused about two agaves which seem to me to be
> very
>   similar looking.  I refer to Agave ocahui and A. pelona.  Maybe I
>   have just seen alot of mislabeled plants of one or the other.
>   Nonetheless ocahui seems to be a small version of pelona.  Any sense
>
>   to this perception?
>
>   Thanks, Breck
>
>
>
>
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