Re: like WCN? like Venice? (let's go network...)
Justin Hyatt <[email protected]> Mon, 4 Jun 2012 15:04:36 +0200
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--0023544708e40b000b04c1a52d0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, just to add one thing: yes the Degrowth conference organisers are indeed looking for homestays to help participants lower their costs of visiting. I am also trying to get in touch with the university that hosts the programme, to see if they can offer us room to meet apart from the conference programme. Are there any Italians on this list who haven't spoken up yet, but interested? Max from Genova, are you reading this? Cheers, Justin On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Simon Field <s.d.field-qw6QB7/[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Milan. > > Please could you confirm the date of the Belgrade conference you > mentioned? Unfortunately 20 September would be right in the middle of the > Degrowth conference, which I think at least 3 of us have already signed u= p > and paid for. > > What kinds of activities have been planned as part of the Biketour? A > critical mass ride in Venezia Mestre could be worth doing. Regarding > accommodation, I think the Degrowth conference organisers have offered to > help participants find cheap places and homestays. > > Cheers, > > Simon. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Milan Boric <[email protected]> > *To:* Carfree Networklist <carfree_network-/[email protected]> > *Cc:* Joel Crawford <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 23 May 2012, 15:59 > *Subject:* RE: [carfree_network] like WCN? like Venice? (let's go > network...) > > > ciao, > > Dear Joel, I agree with most of the things you have mentioned. Yes Venice > is for sure very expensive city. > > I will be participating at EcotopiaBiketour from Torino or Milano towards > Venice. > I guess we will be staying close to Venice at Mestre. Actually we are > looking for a cheap solution as a sleeping place. > We will be there around 19th or 20th of September. I'm not sure if I will > stay there for a few more days. > > Here at Belgrade my NGO "Yugo Cycling Campaign" has applied for a funding > of European Mobility Week Program. > If we get the approval there will be some small scale one day conference > "Eco-Mobility" on 20th of September with > two international guests from EC Directory General for Environment and > European Cyclists Federation. > I will inform you, or simply send you invitation when there will be > certain decision about this conference. > > I was thinking about meeting at Belgrade if not for this occasion but for > some other opportunity to show you the city > of Belgrade which has wonderful location at confluence of two big rivers > Sava and Danube. > But my hometown has so many problems with traffic congestion and one of > the worst public transport systems in > the neighborhood. There has been some initiatives to make it better with > introduction of new vehicles like new trams, > trolleys and buses but this is just small contribution to solution of the > big problem. > > All the best. > > Milan Boric > > Secretary of the presidency > > Yugo Cycling Campaign > > www.bicikl.info > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=3D100003763566119&sk=3Dinfo > > > > 16 May 2012 [email protected], Joel wrote: > > > > > > Responding to Justin's recent post: > > > > Hi All, > > > > So far there has seemed to be little interest in a network meeting in > Venice. I'm not sure why, but I have one thought: Venice is expensive. Is > that holding people back? Should we look for a low-cost alternative, > perhaps near Venice, so that those attending the Degrowth conference can > easily attend the WCN meeting? > > > > I am very discouraged these days. Nothing seems to be going in the righ= t > direction, and interest in carfree cities actually appears to be declinin= g > despite the improvements they offer for so many of the problems from whic= h > we suffer. I really don't have any idea any more what we should be doing.= I > would like to gather with some carfree supporters soon, somewhere. We nee= d > to discuss what to do next. > > > > Best, > > > > Joel > > > > > > >Here is another attempt to insert some life into this list (as well as > network). This September 19-23 there is going to be a conference in Venic= e, > Italy on Degrowth. This is an important movement that has gained traction > in the past few years (some of you may have read about Francois Schneider > and his 14 month walk with donkey in France, in one issue of Carbusters). > you can learn more about the conference at < > http://www.venezia2012.it/?lang=3Den>http://www.venezia2012.it/?lang=3Den= . > (can also register there) > > > > > >Venice is also the glorious example, par excellence, of a carfree city > and beautiful carfree spaces, that all of us in the network like to gush > about. Well, there has been some talk among a few of us, of getting carfr= ee > people to attend the conference, and using the opportunity to spend a > little time (ideally after the main conference) of planning for future wa= ys > that WCN can play a role in shaping sustainable mobility and moving forwa= rd > the carfree concept, in light of the closing of the Prague office closed > last year. > > > > > >Take this then as a call to see who is interested and would like to > attend, or help plan a mini-event and get-together. It will be great to s= ee > some old carfree activists come together, but it can be equally super if > some fresh faces show up. Anyone interested, please speak up! (either > on-list or off-list) > > > > > >Also in the planning is the ecotopia biketour, which will travel by > bike from Spain through France to Italy, ending up at the conference. The= n > there is a group who want to walk a stretch to the conference, with a > donkey entourage, just like Francois all those years ago (Francois btw, > will also be present, at least at the conf) . I've heard also about a > regatta with rowboats... So in a word, there is hope to do some action, > such as a critical mass ride, or something else that we could organize. I > think it could be great if an action could take place that would > specifically bring the carfree nature of Venice to light, support and > promote that aspect of the city. > > > > > >So, here is the question, what are any of your action ideas for such a= n > occasion? I know that if Joel comes, he'll take a video or three. What el= se > could we do? perhaps use the occasion as a scene for a statement broadcas= t > worldwide? some media action? theatrical or otherwise? in Venice we > wouldn't so much protest AGAINST something as FOR it... > > > > > >if anyone wants to discuss this here, would be great, we still have a > little bit of time... also, if enough momentum develops, we can migrate t= o > a smaller discussion forum. As other groups such as biketour are planning > actions, we could coordinate something together. I have contact with the > conference organizers and am also looking for more contacts to local > institutions or groups. would be nice to hear from any italians on the > list.. > > > > > >looking forward to a response or two! > > > > > >Justin > > > > > >-- > > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > > >To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected] > > >Replies are sent to the author of the message. > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] > > >For more options, visit this group at > > ><http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den> > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den > > > > > > > > ----- ### ----- > > J.H. Crawford > > [email protected] > > http://www.carfree.com > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/carfreecities > > Video channels: > > http://vimeo.com/jhcrawford/videos > > http://www.youtube.com/user/CarfreeCities > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > > To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected] > > Replies are sent to the author of the message. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected] > Replies are sent to the author of the message. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected] > Replies are sent to the author of the message. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den > --=20 Justin Hyatt Z=D6FI - Hungarian Green Roots Budapest | Hungary www.zofi.hu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "World Carfree Network" group. To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected] Replies are sent to the author of the message. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den --0023544708e40b000b04c1a52d0e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all,<div><br></div><div>just to add one thing: yes the Degrowth confe= rence organisers are indeed looking for homestays to help participants lowe= r their costs of visiting. I am also trying to get in touch with the univer= sity that hosts the programme, to see if they can offer us room to meet apa= rt from the conference programme.</div> <div><br></div><div>Are there any Italians on this list who haven't spo= ken up yet, but interested? Max from Genova, are you reading this?</div><di= v><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Justin</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail= _quote"> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Simon Field <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href= =3D"mailto:s.d.field-qw6QB7/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">s.d.field-qw6QB7/[email protected]</a>= ></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0= 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div><div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><= div><span>Hi Milan.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Plea= se could you confirm the date</span><span> of the Belgrade conference you m= entioned? Unfortunately 20 September would be right in the middle of the De= growth conference, which I think at least 3 of us have already signed up an= d paid for.</span></div> <div><br><span></span></div><div><span>What kinds of activities have been p= lanned as part of the Biketour? A critical mass ride in Venezia Mestre coul= d be worth doing. Regarding accommodation, I think the Degrowth conference = organisers have offered to help participants=A0 find cheap places and homes= tays.<br> </span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Cheers,</span></div><di= v><br><span></span></div><div><span>Simon.</span></div><div style=3D"font-f= amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> <div style=3D"font-family= :times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=3D= "font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Milan Boric <<a href=3D"mailto:boric= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>><br> <b>= <span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Carfree Networklist <<a = href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">carfree_= network-/[email protected]</a>> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Joel Crawford <<a hre= f=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&= gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 23= May 2012, 15:59<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [carfree_netwo= rk] like WCN? like Venice? (let's go network...)<br> </font> </div> <b= r><div> <div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im"> <br>ciao,<br><br>Dear Joel, I agree with most of the things you have mentio= ned. Yes Venice is for sure very expensive city. <br><br>I will be particip= ating at EcotopiaBiketour from Torino or Milano towards Venice.<br>I guess = we will be staying close to Venice at Mestre. Actually we are looking for a= cheap solution as a sleeping place.<br> We will be there around 19th or 20th of September. I'm not sure if I wi= ll stay there for a few more days.<br><br>Here at Belgrade my NGO "Yug= o Cycling Campaign" has applied for a funding of European Mobility Wee= k Program.<br> If we get the approval there will be some small scale one day conference &q= uot;Eco-Mobility" on 20th of September with <br>two international gues= ts from EC Directory General for Environment and European Cyclists Federati= on.<br> I will inform you, or simply send you invitation when there will be certain= decision about this conference.<br><br>I was thinking about meeting at Bel= grade if not for this occasion but for some other opportunity to show you the city<br>of Belgrade which h= as wonderful location at confluence of two big rivers Sava and Danube.<br>B= ut my hometown has so many problems with traffic congestion and one of the = worst public transport systems in<br> the neighborhood. There has been some initiatives to make it better with in= troduction of new vehicles like new trams,<br>trolleys and buses but this i= s just small contribution to solution of the big problem.<br><br></div> <div><div class=3D"h5">All the best.<br><br>Milan Boric<br><br>Secretary of= the presidency <br><br>Yugo Cycling Campaign<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.= bicikl.info" target=3D"_blank">www.bicikl.info</a><br><br>=A0<a href=3D"htt= p://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=3D100003763566119&sk=3Dinfo" target= =3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=3D100003763566119&sk= =3Dinfo</a>=A0 =A0=A0 <br> =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <br><br><div><div></div>> 16 May = 2012 <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">mailbox@carfr= ee.com</a>, Joel wrote:<br>> <br>> <br>> Responding to Justin'= s recent post:<br>> <br> > Hi All,<br>> <br>> So far there has seemed to be little interest in a n= etwork meeting in Venice. I'm not sure why, but I have one thought: Ven= ice is expensive. Is that holding people back? Should we look for a low-cos= t alternative, perhaps near Venice, so that those attending the Degrowth co= nference can easily attend the WCN meeting?<br> > <br>> I am very discouraged these days. Nothing seems to be going i= n the right direction, and interest in carfree cities actually appears to b= e declining despite the improvements they offer for so many of the problems= from which we suffer. I really don't have any idea any more what we sh= ould be doing. I would like to gather with some carfree supporters soon, so= mewhere. We need to discuss what to do next.<br> > <br>> Best,<br>> <br>> Joel<br>> <br>> <br>> >Her= e is another attempt to insert some life into this list (as well as network= ). This September 19-23 there is going to be a conference in Venice, Italy on Degrowth. This is an important movement tha= t has gained traction in the past few years (some of you may have read abou= t Francois Schneider and his 14 month walk with donkey in France, in one is= sue of Carbusters). you can learn more about the conference at <<a href= =3D"http://www.venezia2012.it/?lang=3Den" target=3D"_blank">http://www.vene= zia2012.it/?lang=3Den</a>><a href=3D"http://www.venezia2012.it/?lang=3De= n" target=3D"_blank">http://www.venezia2012.it/?lang=3Den</a>. (can also re= gister there)<br> > ><br>> >Venice is also the glorious example, par excellence, = of a carfree city and beautiful carfree spaces, that all of us in the netwo= rk like to gush about. Well, there has been some talk among a few of us, of= getting carfree people to attend the conference, and using the opportunity= to spend a little time (ideally after the main conference) of planning for= future ways that WCN can play a role in shaping sustainable mobility and m= oving forward the carfree concept, in light of the closing of the Prague of= fice closed last year.<br> > ><br>> >Take this then as a call to see who is interested and would like to at= tend, or help plan a mini-event and get-together. It will be great to see s= ome old carfree activists come together, but it can be equally super if som= e fresh faces show up. Anyone interested, please speak up! (either on-list = or off-list)<br> > ><br>> >Also in the planning is the ecotopia biketour, which = will travel by bike from Spain through France to Italy, ending up at the co= nference. Then there is a group who want to walk a stretch to the conferenc= e, with a donkey entourage, just like Francois all those years ago (Francoi= s btw, will also be present, at least at the conf) . I've heard also ab= out a regatta with rowboats... So in a word, there is hope to do some actio= n, such as a critical mass ride, or something else that we could organize. = I think it could be great if an action could take place that would specific= ally bring the carfree nature of Venice to light, support and promote that aspect of the city.<br>> ><br>> >So, = here is the question, what are any of your action ideas for such an occasio= n? I know that if Joel comes, he'll take a video or three. What else co= uld we do? perhaps use the occasion as a scene for a statement broadcast wo= rldwide? some media action? theatrical or otherwise? in Venice we wouldn= 9;t so much protest AGAINST something as FOR it...<br> > ><br>> >if anyone wants to discuss this here, would be great,= we still have a little bit of time... also, if enough momentum develops, w= e can migrate to a smaller discussion forum. As other groups such as biketo= ur are planning actions, we could coordinate something together. I have con= tact with the conference organizers and am also looking for more contacts t= o local institutions or groups. would be nice to hear from any italians on = the list..<br> > ><br>> >looking forward to a response or two!<br>> ><br= >> >Justin<br>> ><br>> >-- <br>> >You received this mess= age because you are subscribed to the Google<br>> >Groups "World= Carfree Network" group.<br>> >To post to this group, send email= to <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">c= arfree_network-/[email protected]</a><br> > >Replies are sent to the author of the message.<br>> >To unsu= bscribe from this group, send email to<br>> ><a href=3D"mailto:carfre= e_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">carfree_network-u= nsubscribe-/[email protected]</a><br> > >For more options, visit this group at<br>> ><<a href=3D"h= ttp://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den" target=3D"_b= lank">http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den</a>>= ;<a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den"= target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?h= l=3Den</a> <br> > <br>> <br>> <br>> ----- ### = -----<br>> J.H. Crawford<br>> <a href=3D"mailto:m= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br>> <a hr= ef=3D"http://www.carfree.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.carfree.com</a><= br> > Twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/carfreecities" target=3D"_blank= ">http://twitter.com/carfreecities</a><br>> Video channels:<br>> <a h= ref=3D"http://vimeo.com/jhcrawford/videos" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.c= om/jhcrawford/videos</a><br> > <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/user/CarfreeCities" target=3D"_blank">ht= tp://www.youtube.com/user/CarfreeCities</a><br>> <br>> -- <br>> Yo= u received this message because you are subscribed to the Google<br>> Gr= oups "World Carfree Network" group.<br> > To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network= @googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">carfree_network-/[email protected]</a><b= r>> Replies are sent to the author of the message.<br>> To unsubscrib= e from this group, send email to<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]</a><br>> For mo= re options, visit this group at<br>> <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com= /group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.goo= gle.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den</a><br> </div> </div></div></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"> -- <br> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google<br> Groups "World Carfree Network" group.<br> To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network@goog= legroups.com" target=3D"_blank">carfree_network-/[email protected]</a><br> Replies are sent to the author of the message.<br> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to<br> <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]" target=3D"_= blank">carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]</a><br> For more options, visit this group at<br> <a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?= hl=3Den?hl=3Den" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_n= etwork?hl=3Den?hl=3Den</a></div></div></div><br><br> </div> </div> </div><= /div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"> <div class=3D"h5"> <p></p> -- <br> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google<br> Groups "World Carfree Network" group.<br> To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network@goog= legroups.com" target=3D"_blank">carfree_network-/[email protected]</a><br> Replies are sent to the author of the message.<br> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to<br> <a href=3D"mailto:carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]" target=3D"_= blank">carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]</a><br> For more options, visit this group at<br> <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den" = target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl= =3Den</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></di= v>-- <br> Justin Hyatt<br>Z=D6FI - Hungarian Green Roots<br>Budapest | Hungary<br><a = href=3D"http://www.zofi.hu" target=3D"_blank">www.zofi.hu</a><br> </div> <p></p> -- <br /> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google<br /> Groups "World Carfree Network" group.<br /> To post to this group, send email to carfree_network-/[email protected]<br /> Replies are sent to the author of the message.<br /> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to<br /> carfree_network-unsubscribe-/[email protected]<br /> For more options, visit this group at<br /> <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den">= http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=3Den?hl=3Den</a> --0023544708e40b000b04c1a52d0e--