Re: [SycamoreCanyon] My query on the national peace movement
"'[email protected]' [email protected] [marxist]" <[email protected]> Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:12:06 -0500
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------=_Part_18638_2092800975.1416780726346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have no illusions in them. We had dinner before our coffeehouse here in = highland park where the two of us debated ukraine situation. He was bett= er than I expected but still somewhat doctrinaire. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -----Original Message----- From: David McReynolds [email protected] [SycamoreCanyon] <Sycamor= [email protected]> To: SycamoreCanyon <[email protected]> Cc: Friends of Hunter Bear <[email protected]>; marxist= <[email protected]>; [email protected] <redbadbear@yahoogro= ups.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 23, 2014 05:05 PM Subject: Re: [SycamoreCanyon] My query on the national peace movement <div id=3D"AOLMsgPart_2_147339b7-3995-4b5e-a8d9-58d2a79bd9fc"> <div style=3D"background-color: #fff;" class=3D"aolReplacedBody">=20 <span style=3D"display:none"> </span>=20 <div id=3D"aolmail_ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;">=20 <div id=3D"aolmail_ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;">=20 <div id=3D"aolmail_ygrp-text">=20 <p></p> <div dir=3D"ltr"> Sorry, but I'll believe that when I see it - I just do not think UNAC has a= very solid track record. Good intentions but simply does not involve the p= eace groups. =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 I may well be proven wrong. =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 David =20=20=20=20=20 </div> <div class=3D"aolmail_gmail_extra"> =20=20=20=20=20 <div class=3D"aolmail_gmail_quote"> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:03 PM, ' <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">sam4wp@netsc= ape.net</a>'=20 <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">sam4wp@netsc= ape.net</a> [SycamoreCanyon]=20 <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:SycamoreCanyon= @yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote: =20=20=20=20=20=20 <blockquote class=3D"aolmail_gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #c= cc solid;">=20 <u></u>=20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;">=20 <span> </span>=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <p><font face=3D"arial" color=3D"black"> </font></p> <div> <font face=3D"arial" color=3D"black"> <font>One minor point on = this: The guy from UNAC was talking about a broad group getting together to= plan a demo in Spring. =20 I think that is inadequate in a lot of ways, but I would think that the gr= oup would be fairly broad at this point </font> </font> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 <font face=3D"arial" color=3D"black">=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:= black;"> -----Original Message----- =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 From: David McReynolds=20 <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ">[email protected]</a> [SycamoreCanyon] < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:SycamoreCanyon@yahoogroups= .com">[email protected]</a>> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 To: SycamoreCanyon < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:SycamoreCanyon@yahoogroups= .com">[email protected]</a>> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Cc: bearwithoutborders < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ayfirst.org">[email protected]</a>>; marxist < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">m= [email protected]</a>>; newgreencanada < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:newgreencanada@yahoogroups= .com">[email protected]</a>>; redbadbear < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ">[email protected]</a>> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Sent: Sun, Nov 23, 2014 4:55 pm =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Subject: Re: [SycamoreCanyon] My query on the national peace movement =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;">=20 <span> </span>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div dir=3D"ltr">=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div> <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><fo= nt face=3D"garamond,serif">I share the concern about a national peace movem= ent. I don't think UNAC is it - meaning no disrespect, it does not involve = the national peace groups (FOR, AFSC, WRL, WILPF, Peace Action). Some of th= ose involved (and may still be) in UFPJ (United for Peace and Justice) but = that, also, is not what Hunter is looking for (nor what I want to see). =20 </font></font></b></font> = =20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><fon= t face=3D"garamond,serif">One problem is that groups on the left, whether w= e mean the Communist Party, the Socialist Party, Democratic Socialists of A= merica, Revolutionary Communist Party, Workers World Party, Party for Socia= lism and Liberation, or other left groups, cannot substitute for the peace = movement.=20 =20 </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font= face=3D"garamond,serif">No matter how good the intentions of these groups = may be (and as important as they were in the mass Vietnam peace movement) t= hey cannot substitute for the peace groups. =20 </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font = face=3D"garamond,serif">I don't think it can be blamed on Obama. The first = year or so, yes - I did not vote for Obama but I rejoiced in his election, = as the first black American and as someone who had pledged to end the Iraq = War and close Guantanamo. =20 </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font f= ace=3D"garamond,serif">But we need to remember that the massive Vietnam mov= ement began under Jack Kennedy and reached its peak under LBJ. One of the p= rimary forces was the draft and when Nixon ended the draft it helped silenc= e the movement. =20 </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font fa= ce=3D"garamond,serif">Where I'd place the blame (not with any joy!) is on t= he peace movement itself. To take one example, the Fellowship of Reconcilia= tion - one of the groups that is important in bringing in the religious com= munity - has fallen into the trap of the computer age, with its executive d= irector working from California, when the national office is in Nyack, New = York. =20 </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font fac= e=3D"garamond,serif">One of my problems is simply age - at 85, and retired,= I don't even know who the key people are at AFSC, or the FOR or Peace Acti= on. I'd fault the group I worked for, the War Resisters League, as failing = to help bring together any kind of informal coalition (which UFPJ was at on= e point). And that isn't because of Obama - it is because none of the group= s seem to see the need for such informal consultative groups, which we had = when I was on staff at WRL. =20 </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font face= =3D"garamond,serif">So, Hunter, I don't have a good answer - but I don't th= ink Obama is the reason. I think the groups - the broad liberal community -= that was willing to give him a year, is now disillusioned and perhaps demo= ralized - as if, despite all the promises he made, and the hopes we had, Ob= ama himself seems as trapped by the war machine as any of us. =20 </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font face= =3D"garamond,serif">We have to keep trying - but to focus on Obama delays f= ocusing on the need for deeper and more radical change in the society. =20 </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font face= =3D"garamond,serif">David McReynolds </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <div class=3D"aolmail_gmail_extra"> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 <div class=3D"aolmail_gmail_quote"> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 8:40 AM, 'Hunter Gray'=20 <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:hunterbadbear@hunte= rbear.org">[email protected]</a> [SycamoreCanyon]=20 <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>></span> = wrote: =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 <blockquote class=3D"aolmail_gmail_quote" style=3D"bord= er-left:1px #ccc solid;">=20 <u></u>=20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;">=20 <span> </span>=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 <font face=3D"Verdana"></font> = =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 <font face=3D"Verdana"> <font face=3D"Times New R= oman" size=3D"3"> </font>=20 <div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><font face= =3D"Calibri">The other day, I asked about the existence of a bona fide nati= onal peace movement.<span> </span>That was a reasonable inquiry, given the= fact that the country is now well into a new and fast broadening Iraq War.= <span> </span>It=E2=80=99s <span> </span>now even more timely, at this mom= ent in history, as Obama abrogates his latest of several pledgse to end U.S= . military combat involvement in Afghanistan.</font></span></b> <font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"> </fo= nt>=20 <div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><font face= =3D"Calibri">Aside from two comments on Redbadbear, which were essentially = localized in nature, I received no responses to my query.<span> </span>Thi= s would seem to bear out my feeling that the national peace movement ended = =E2=80=93 at least for the time =E2=80=93 when Barack Obama took office.<sp= an> </span>Certainly, there are valiant local efforts and a few genuinely = left groups that haven=E2=80=99t been co-opted by Obama and the Democratic = Party.</font></span></b> </div> <font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"= > </font>=20 <div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><font face= =3D"Calibri">The broad silence in this country on the peace issue is both t= ragic and dangerous.<span> </span>Hopefully, that will change as matters a= broad are seen as more dire, U.S. military involvement is recognized as inc= reasingly futile =E2=80=93 and the fiscal expenditures for the Wars rival t= he heights of the Rockies.</font></span></b> </div> <font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"= > </font>=20 <div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><font face= =3D"Calibri">A very personal observation:<span> </span>I came of radical a= ge in early 1955.<span> </span>Even with Red Scare fear and hysteria ragin= g across this country, there was more genuinely radical activism =E2=80=93 = =E2=80=9Cto the roots=E2=80=9D stuff =E2=80=93 than the oft empty verbal mi= litancy of today and the even more pervasive silence.</font></span></b> </div> <font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"= > </font>=20 <div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><font face= =3D"Calibri">H.</font></span></b> </div> <font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"= > </font></font> </div>=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq / St. Francis Abenaki /= St. Regis Mohawk=20 = =20 Protected by Na=C2=B4shdo=C2=B4i=C2=B4ba=C2=B4i=C2=B4=20 = =20 and Ohkwari' . 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We had dinner before our coffeehouse her= e in highland park where the two of us debated ukraine situatio= n. He was better than I expected but still somewhat doctrinaire.<br><= br>Sent from AOL Mobile Mail<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:= David McReynolds [email protected] [SycamoreCanyon] <SycamoreC= [email protected]><br>To: SycamoreCanyon <SycamoreCanyon@yahoogro= ups.com><br>Cc: Friends of Hunter Bear <[email protected]= irst.org>; marxist <[email protected]>; Redbadbear@yahoogrou= ps.com <[email protected]><br>Sent: Sun, Nov 23, 2014 05:05 = PM<br>Subject: Re: [SycamoreCanyon] My query on the national peace movement= <br><br><br> <div id=3D"AOLMsgPart_2_147339b7-3995-4b5e-a8d9-58d2a79bd9fc"> <div style=3D"background-color: #fff;" class=3D"aolReplacedBody">=20 <span style=3D"display:none"> </span>=20 <div id=3D"aolmail_ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;">=20 <div id=3D"aolmail_ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;">=20 <div id=3D"aolmail_ygrp-text">=20 <p></p> <div dir=3D"ltr"> Sorry, but I'll believe that when I see it - I just do not think UNAC has a= very solid track record. Good intentions but simply does not involve the p= eace groups. <br> <br>I may well be proven wrong. <br> <br>David <br> </div> <div class=3D"aolmail_gmail_extra"> <br> <div class=3D"aolmail_gmail_quote"> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:03 PM, ' <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">sam4wp@netsc= ape.net</a>'=20 <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">sam4wp@netsc= ape.net</a> [SycamoreCanyon]=20 <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:SycamoreCan= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote: <br> <blockquote class=3D"aolmail_gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #c= cc solid;">=20 <u></u>=20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;">=20 <span> </span>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <p><font face=3D"arial" color=3D"black"> </font></p> <div> <font face=3D"arial" color=3D"black"> <font>One minor point on = this: The guy from UNAC was talking about a broad group getting together to= plan a demo in Spring.<br> <br> I think that is inadequate in a lot of way= s, but I would think that the group would be fairly broad at this point<br>= </font> </font> </div> <font face=3D"arial" color=3D"black">=20 <div>=20 <br>=20 </div>=20 <div>=20 <br>=20 </div>=20 <div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:= black;"> -----Original Message----- <br> From: David McReynolds=20 <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ">[email protected]</a> [SycamoreCanyon] < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:SycamoreCanyon@yahoogroups= .com">[email protected]</a>> <br> To: SycamoreCanyon < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:SycamoreCanyon@yahoogroups= .com">[email protected]</a>> <br> Cc: bearwithoutborders < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ayfirst.org">[email protected]</a>>; marxist < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">m= [email protected]</a>>; newgreencanada < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:newgreencanada@yahoogroups= .com">[email protected]</a>>; redbadbear < <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ">[email protected]</a>> <br> Sent: Sun, Nov 23, 2014 4:55 pm <br> Subject: Re: [SycamoreCanyon] My query on the national pe= ace movement <br>=20 <br>=20 <div>=20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;">=20 <span> </span>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div></div>=20 <div dir=3D"ltr">=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div> <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><fo= nt face=3D"garamond,serif">I share the concern about a national peace movem= ent. I don't think UNAC is it - meaning no disrespect, it does not involve = the national peace groups (FOR, AFSC, WRL, WILPF, Peace Action). Some of th= ose involved (and may still be) in UFPJ (United for Peace and Justice) but = that, also, is not what Hunter is looking for (nor what I want to see).<br>= <br> </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><fon= t face=3D"garamond,serif">One problem is that groups on the left, whether w= e mean the Communist Party, the Socialist Party, Democratic Socialists of A= merica, Revolutionary Communist Party, Workers World Party, Party for Socia= lism and Liberation, or other left groups, cannot substitute for the peace = movement. <br> <br> </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font= face=3D"garamond,serif">No matter how good the intentions of these groups = may be (and as important as they were in the mass Vietnam peace movement) t= hey cannot substitute for the peace groups.<br> <br> </font></font></b></fo= nt> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font = face=3D"garamond,serif">I don't think it can be blamed on Obama. The first = year or so, yes - I did not vote for Obama but I rejoiced in his election, = as the first black American and as someone who had pledged to end the Iraq = War and close Guantanamo.<br> <br> </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font f= ace=3D"garamond,serif">But we need to remember that the massive Vietnam mov= ement began under Jack Kennedy and reached its peak under LBJ. One of the p= rimary forces was the draft and when Nixon ended the draft it helped silenc= e the movement.<br> <br> </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font fa= ce=3D"garamond,serif">Where I'd place the blame (not with any joy!) is on t= he peace movement itself. To take one example, the Fellowship of Reconcilia= tion - one of the groups that is important in bringing in the religious com= munity - has fallen into the trap of the computer age, with its executive d= irector working from California, when the national office is in Nyack, New = York.<br> <br> </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font fac= e=3D"garamond,serif">One of my problems is simply age - at 85, and retired,= I don't even know who the key people are at AFSC, or the FOR or Peace Acti= on. I'd fault the group I worked for, the War Resisters League, as failing = to help bring together any kind of informal coalition (which UFPJ was at on= e point). And that isn't because of Obama - it is because none of the group= s seem to see the need for such informal consultative groups, which we had = when I was on staff at WRL.<br> <br> </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font face= =3D"garamond,serif">So, Hunter, I don't have a good answer - but I don't th= ink Obama is the reason. I think the groups - the broad liberal community -= that was willing to give him a year, is now disillusioned and perhaps demo= ralized - as if, despite all the promises he made, and the hopes we had, Ob= ama himself seems as trapped by the war machine as any of us.<br> <br> </fo= nt></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font face= =3D"garamond,serif">We have to keep trying - but to focus on Obama delays f= ocusing on the need for deeper and more radical change in the society.<br> = <br> </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <font color=3D"#0000ff"><b><font size=3D"4"><font face= =3D"garamond,serif">David McReynolds<br> </font></font></b></font> </div>=20 <div class=3D"aolmail_gmail_extra"> <br>=20 <div class=3D"aolmail_gmail_quote"> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 8:40 AM, 'Hunter Gray'=20 <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:hunterbadbear@hunte= rbear.org">[email protected]</a> [SycamoreCanyon]=20 <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mail= to:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>></= span> wrote: <br>=20 <blockquote class=3D"aolmail_gmail_quote" style=3D"bord= er-left:1px #ccc solid;">=20 <u></u>=20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;">=20 <span> </span>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div>=20 <div></div>=20 <div> <font face=3D"Verdana"></font> </div>=20 <div> <font face=3D"Verdana"> <font face=3D"Times = New Roman" size=3D"3"> </font>=20 <div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><font face= =3D"Calibri">The other day, I asked about the existence of a bona fide nati= onal peace movement.<span> </span>That was a reasonable inquiry, give= n the fact that the country is now well into a new and fast broadening Iraq= War.<span> </span>It=E2=80=99s <span> </span>now even more time= ly, at this moment in history, as Obama abrogates his latest of several ple= dgse to end U.S. military combat involvement in Afghanistan.</font></span><= /b> </div> <font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"= > </font>=20 <div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><font face= =3D"Calibri">Aside from two comments on Redbadbear, which were essentially = localized in nature, I received no responses to my query.<span> </spa= n>This would seem to bear out my feeling that the national peace movement e= nded =E2=80=93 at least for the time =E2=80=93 when Barack Obama took offic= e.<span> </span>Certainly, there are valiant local efforts and a few = genuinely left groups that haven=E2=80=99t been co-opted by Obama and the D= emocratic Party.</font></span></b> </div> <font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"= > </font>=20 <div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><font face= =3D"Calibri">The broad silence in this country on the peace issue is both t= ragic and dangerous.<span> </span>Hopefully, that will change as matt= ers abroad are seen as more dire, U.S. military involvement is recognized a= s increasingly futile =E2=80=93 and the fiscal expenditures for the Wars ri= val the heights of the Rockies.</font></span></b> </div> <font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"= > </font>=20 <div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><font face= =3D"Calibri">A very personal observation:<span> </span>I came of radi= cal age in early 1955.<span> </span>Even with Red Scare fear and hyst= eria raging across this country, there was more genuinely radical activism = =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9Cto the roots=E2=80=9D stuff =E2=80=93 than the oft empty= verbal militancy of today and the even more pervasive silence.</font></spa= n></b> </div> <font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"= > </font>=20 <div style=3D"margin:0in 0in 8pt;"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><font face= =3D"Calibri">H.</font></span></b> </div> <font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"= > </font></font> </div>=20 <div> HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq / St. Francis Abenaki /= St. Regis Mohawk=20 <br> Protected by Na=C2=B4shdo=C2=B4i=C2=B4ba=C2= =B4i=C2=B4=20 <br> and Ohkwari' . 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