Re: [dinosaur] Parirau, new pterosaur from Late Cretaceous of New Zealand (free pdf)
Jon Tennant <[email protected]> Sun, 22 Dec 2019 10:32:07 +0800
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--00000000000052ddd6059a41b8ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Note the policy at paleorXiv:=0Ahttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u= =3Dhttps-3A__paleorxiv.github.io_submission-5Fguidelines.html&d=3DDwIFaQ&c= =3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgec= RCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3D1c8dzlHz_ggijP8al_5Q_Zigqsmm1bdcXDL0c7DNEno&s=3DhDI= s5ABKdZ1RHhflUZAqUcFTnueHPfyTIAxq3PxMX1U&e=3D=20=0ATaxonomic submissions=0A= =0A - When submitting taxonomic papers that identify new genera or specie= s,=0A please omit the name and replace with 'gen et. sp. nov.', as approp= riate.=0A - For newly named higher level taxa, recombinations, referrals,= =0A synonymisations, and phylogenetic definitions, we strongly advise tha= t=0A these be fully redacted too prior to submission.=0A - For manuscri= pts that include a lot of taxonomic and systematic work,=0A authors are a= dvised to carefully consider the taxonomic implications before=0A publish= ing.=0A=0A-----------------------------------------------------------------= -------------=0A*Personal website <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url= ?u=3Dhttp-3A__fossilsandshit.com_&d=3DDwIFaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOU= HhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3D1c8dz= lHz_ggijP8al_5Q_Zigqsmm1bdcXDL0c7DNEno&s=3DRpcxoPK0rGjem1XpkjhaDKLyGbkAfIKD= 5KZawQZBS2s&e=3D > - Home of the Green Tea and=0AVelociraptors blog.*=0A=0A= *ORCID:* 0000-0001-7794-0218 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3D= http-3A__orcid.org_0000-2D0001-2D7794-2D0218&d=3DDwIFaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOV= Igvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9S= I&m=3D1c8dzlHz_ggijP8al_5Q_Zigqsmm1bdcXDL0c7DNEno&s=3DCZV9_ScfpCe8nsNARCTtn= eiaAzefNQLXK_ruwxWk3-4&e=3D >=0A<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u= =3Dhttps-3A__twitter.com_Protohedgehog&d=3DDwIFaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0N= U5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3D= 1c8dzlHz_ggijP8al_5Q_Zigqsmm1bdcXDL0c7DNEno&s=3DVlSr3DyQQa0fPeS6GiX7ExhaAWB= Ccl1qG9Dqas_aXFo&e=3D >=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 10:28 AM Tyler Gree= nfield <[email protected]>=0Awrote:=0A=0A> I understand that peer re= view is not required by the ICZN (although=0A> encouraged); I should have c= larified that biorxiv is not a registered=0A> journal and fails Art. 8.5.3.= 2 like you stated. I see nomen nudum used to=0A> refer to all names that ar= e not validly published, including but not=0A> limited to if they fail Art.= 13.=0A>=0A> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 8:17 PM David Marjanovic <david.marjan= [email protected]>=0A> wrote:=0A>=0A>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 22. Dezember 2019 um = 00:04 Uhr=0A>> *Von:* [email protected]=0A>> Since this is a preprin= t on a website made for hosting manuscripts and=0A>> not published in a pee= r-reviewed journal, I don=E2=80=99t think this constitutes a=0A>> valid nam= ing.=0A>>=0A>> Peer review is=0A>>=0A>> *!!! NOT !!!*=0A>>=0A>> required fo= r nomenclatural validity under the ICZN. (It *will* be under=0A>> the Phylo= Code.)=0A>>=0A>> (Short digression: the notion that peer review is a basic = component of=0A>> science is much younger than many people think. Not only = did nobody review=0A>> Linnaeus, but Nature wasn't peer-reviewed till the 1= 970s, many small=0A>> European journals weren't peer-reviewed into the 1990= s, and edited books=0A>> often still aren't AFAIK. Unlike with a preprint s= erver, the editors read=0A>> and reviewed the manuscripts, but didn't gener= ally send them out to anyone=0A>> else. Einstein got very angry once when h= e found out an editor had sent his=0A>> manuscript to someone for review; h= e said he hadn't given the editor=0A>> permission to send it to anyone, esp= ecially the person who got it.)=0A>>=0A>> *However*, what kills the name is= ICZN Art. 8.5.3.2=0A>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps= -3A__code.iczn.org_criteria-2Dof-2Dpublication_article-2D8-2Dwhat-2Dconstit= utes-2Dpublished-2Dwork_-23art-2D8-2D5&d=3DDwMBaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0N= U5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3D= NUdY46cgKKN_Ry0iFE_ys2yFMdx2iASDLwmz4en9LG4&s=3Dki58tZklz6BifLiOXGn3LKZxKuw= TkyOrpFrUFddDjOk&e=3D>:=0A>> "The entry in the Official Register of Zoologi= cal Nomenclature [ =3D ZooBank]=0A>> must give an ISBN for the work or an I= SSN for the journal containing the=0A>> work." bioR=CF=87iv doesn't have an= ISSN, so game over until the manuscript=0A>> comes out in a journal that h= as one and is either printed or registered in=0A>> ZooBank anew. Although n= ot a nomen nudum (that would be specifically a name=0A>> that fails Art. 13= =0A>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__code.iczn.org= _chapter-2D4-2Dcriteria-2Dof-2Davailability_article-2D13-2Dnames-2Dpublishe= d-2Dafter-2D1930_&d=3DDwMBaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_g= I&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3DNUdY46cgKKN_Ry0iFE_ys= 2yFMdx2iASDLwmz4en9LG4&s=3DgjwAPp32XpZBju5UFlFgwvs_7iX4JeZT78PpPoJKfSA&e=3D= >,=0A>> which is not the case here), the name is unavailable at present.=0A= >>=0A>=0A= --00000000000052ddd6059a41b8ae Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Note the policy at paleorXiv: <a href=3D"https://urld= efense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__paleorxiv.github.io_submission-5= Fguidelines.html&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7= CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3D1c8dzl= Hz_ggijP8al_5Q_Zigqsmm1bdcXDL0c7DNEno&s=3DhDIs5ABKdZ1RHhflUZAqUcFTnueHP= fyTIAxq3PxMX1U&e=3D">https://paleorxiv.github.io/submission_guidelines.= html</a></div><div></div><div>=0A<h4>Taxonomic submissions</h4>=0A <ul><l= i>When submitting taxonomic papers that identify new genera or=20=0Aspecies= , please omit the name and replace with 'gen et. sp. nov.', as=20= =0Aappropriate.</li><li>For newly named higher level taxa, recombinations, = referrals,=20=0Asynonymisations, and phylogenetic definitions, we strongly = advise that=20=0Athese be fully redacted too prior to submission.</li><li>F= or manuscripts that include a lot of taxonomic and systematic=20=0Awork, au= thors are advised to carefully consider the taxonomic=20=0Aimplications bef= ore publishing.</li></ul>=0A=0A</div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm= ail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><di= v dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"= ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div= ><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir= =3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div = dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"= ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d= iv dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir= =3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span styl= e=3D"font-size:12.8px">----------------------------------------------------= --------------------------</span></div><div><span style=3D"letter-spacing:0= .2px"></span></div><div></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-si= ze:12.8px"><b><a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-= 3A__fossilsandshit.com_&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHh= pN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m= =3D1c8dzlHz_ggijP8al_5Q_Zigqsmm1bdcXDL0c7DNEno&s=3DRpcxoPK0rGjem1Xpkjha= DKLyGbkAfIKD5KZawQZBS2s&e=3D" target=3D"_blank">Personal website</a>=C2= =A0- Home of the Green Tea and Velociraptors blog.</b></span><br></div><div= dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"= ltr"><b>ORCID:</b>=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url= ?u=3Dhttp-3A__orcid.org_0000-2D0001-2D7794-2D0218&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3Dcl= K7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecR= CKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3D1c8dzlHz_ggijP8al_5Q_Zigqsmm1bdcXDL0c7DNEno&= s=3DCZV9_ScfpCe8nsNARCTtneiaAzefNQLXK_ruwxWk3-4&e=3D" target=3D"_blank"= >0000-0001-7794-0218</a><a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url= ?u=3Dhttps-3A__twitter.com_Protohedgehog&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtA= VEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1= CYJgFW9SI&m=3D1c8dzlHz_ggijP8al_5Q_Zigqsmm1bdcXDL0c7DNEno&s=3DVlSr3= DyQQa0fPeS6GiX7ExhaAWBCcl1qG9Dqas_aXFo&e=3D" style=3D"font-size:12.8px"= target=3D"_blank"><br></a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>= </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d= iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>= </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d= iv></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl= ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 10:28 AM Tyler Greenfield <<a= href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> = wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0= px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir= =3D"ltr">I understand that peer review is not required by the ICZN (althoug= h encouraged); I should have clarified that biorxiv is not a registered jou= rnal and fails Art. 8.5.3.2 like you stated. I see nomen nudum used to refe= r to all names that are not validly published, including but not limited to= if they fail Art. 13.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"= class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 8:17 PM David Marjanovic <= <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">david.marjanov= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding= -left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px"><div>=0A<= div name=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:10px 5px 5px 10px;padding:10px 0px 10px = 10px;border-left:2px solid rgb(195,217,229)">=0A<div style=3D"margin:0px 0p= x 10px"><b>Gesendet:</b>=C2=A0Sonntag, 22. Dezember 2019 um 00:04 Uhr<br>= =0A<b>Von:</b>=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_= blank">[email protected]</a></div>=0A=0A<div name=3D"quoted-content"= >=0A<div>Since this is a preprint on a website made for hosting manuscripts= and not published in a peer-reviewed journal, I don=E2=80=99t think this c= onstitutes a valid naming.</div>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A</div>=0A=0A<div>=0A<d= iv>=0A<div>=0A<div>=C2=A0</div>=0A=0A<div>Peer review is</div>=0A=0A<div>= =C2=A0</div>=0A=0A<div style=3D"margin-left:40px"><strong>!!! NOT !!!</stro= ng></div>=0A=0A<div>=C2=A0</div>=0A=0A<div>required for nomenclatural valid= ity under the ICZN. (It <strong>will</strong> be under the PhyloCode.)</div= >=0A=0A<div>=C2=A0</div>=0A=0A<div>(Short digression: the notion that peer = review is a basic component of science is much younger than many people thi= nk. Not only did nobody review Linnaeus, but Nature wasn't peer-reviewe= d till the 1970s, many small European journals weren't peer-reviewed in= to the 1990s, and edited books often still aren't AFAIK. Unlike with a = preprint server, the editors read and reviewed the manuscripts, but didn= 9;t generally send them out to anyone else. Einstein got very angry once wh= en he found out an editor had sent his manuscript to someone for review; he= said he hadn't given the editor permission to send it to anyone, espec= ially the person who got it.)</div>=0A=0A<div>=C2=A0</div>=0A=0A<div><stron= g>However</strong>, what kills the name is <a href=3D"https://urldefense.pr= oofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__code.iczn.org_criteria-2Dof-2Dpublication= _article-2D8-2Dwhat-2Dconstitutes-2Dpublished-2Dwork_-23art-2D8-2D5&d= =3DDwMBaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO= 4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3DNUdY46cgKKN_Ry0iFE_ys2yFMdx2= iASDLwmz4en9LG4&s=3Dki58tZklz6BifLiOXGn3LKZxKuwTkyOrpFrUFddDjOk&e= =3D" target=3D"_blank">ICZN Art. 8.5.3.2</a>: "The entry in the Offici= al Register of Zoological Nomenclature [ =3D ZooBank] must give an ISBN for= the work or an ISSN for the journal containing the work." bioR=CF=87i= v doesn't have an ISSN, so game over until the manuscript comes out in = a journal that has one and is either printed or registered in ZooBank anew.= Although not a nomen nudum (that would be specifically a name that fails <= a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__code.iczn.= org_chapter-2D4-2Dcriteria-2Dof-2Davailability_article-2D13-2Dnames-2Dpubli= shed-2Dafter-2D1930_&d=3DDwMBaQ&c=3DclK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0= H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=3DRy_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=3DNU= dY46cgKKN_Ry0iFE_ys2yFMdx2iASDLwmz4en9LG4&s=3DgjwAPp32XpZBju5UFlFgwvs_7= iX4JeZT78PpPoJKfSA&e=3D" target=3D"_blank">Art. 13</a>, which is not th= e case here), the name is unavailable at present.</div>=0A</div>=0A</div>= =0A</div></div></div>=0A</blockquote></div>=0A</blockquote></div>=0A= --00000000000052ddd6059a41b8ae--