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<p>>---In [email protected], <marchal@...> w=
rote :<br>
<br>
>>On 24 Sep 2015, at 13:33, hibbsa@... <br>
>>mailto:hibbsa@... [Fabric-of-Reality] wrote:<br>
<br>
>regarding Ada Lovelace contributions to computing, <br>
>David Deutsch tweets https://twitter.com/<br>
>DavidDeutschOxf/status/644977353651785730:<br>
<br>
<br>
>"ProfBrianCox @FryRsquared Fascinating. It convinced <br>
>me that I was wrong: Babbage never really got universality. <br>
>Lovelace totally did."<br>
<br>
<br>
>Hmm... I have a little french book from 1911 by <br>
>Jacques Lafitte which gave me indirect evidence<br>
> that Babbage did got the "universality" insight<br>
> (for >computations). he got it not from his machine(s),<br>
> but from the language he invented to describe the<br>
> machine, and he realized that such a language is <br>
>as powerfull than his machine.<br>
> I have evidence that Ada invented programming <br>
>and subroutine, but I am not sure she get the<br>
> universality I will take a look (when I have more time).<br>
<br>
Yes well....having seen the documentary I spent a little time digging out s=
ome details (actually all I did was visit (the site/blog of) some trusted h=
istorians of science). <br>
Apparently all Ada Lovelace did was publish a single paper, in which she pe=
rformed a translation to English of a lecture given by or for Babbage. She =
added 'poetic annotations' on what one might do with the analytical=
engine. Which was entirely Babbage's' work. Another point was that=
not only was it absolute bullshit that Lovelace inspired or influenced at =
all the first computer, but that it's not straight forwarder that the a=
nalytical machine did. <br>
<br>
<br>
my comment:<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi DD, I watched it after seeing your tweet, and found it fascinating also.=
I thought you might be interested in the following documentary, which shed=
s light on a forerunner to Ada Lovelace. In terms of universality, that the=
possibility was being glimpsed (but not realized) is evident.<br>
<br>
<br>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbLb54FCMt9o https://www.youtube.com/watch=
?v=3DbLb54FCMt9o<br>
<br>
<br>
Another recent documentary about Turing's Bletchley peer "Gordon W=
elchman" whose contribution to the Collossus and code breaking is rega=
rded as at least equal to Turing himself. Possibly greater.<br>
<br>
<br>
Bletchley Park: Code-breaking's Forgotten Genius http://www.bbc.co.uk/i=
player/episode/b069gxz7/bletchley-park-codebreakings-forgotten-genius<br>
<br>
<br>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b069gxz7/bletchley-park-codebreakings=
-forgotten-genius<br>
<br>
Bletchley Park: Code-breaking's Forgotten Genius http://www.bbc.co.uk/=
iplayer/episode/b069gxz7/bletchley-park-codebreakings-forgotten-genius A lo=
ok at Gordon Welchman, a codebreaker crucial to the defeat of the Nazis.<br=
>
<br>
View on www.bbc.co.uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b069gxz7/bletchl=
ey-park-codebreakings-forgotten-genius<br>
Preview by Yahoo <br>
<br>
<br>
Of course, Leibniz was conceptually close to. My candidate for the first re=
al understanding of universality might be Emil Post, the founders, with Kle=
ene of "recursion theory".<br>
<br>
<br>
Only one certainty: G=C3=B6del did not got it, and neither Church. "Ch=
urch's thesis" is a label created by Kleene when he understood tha=
t the class of partial recursive function is closed for the diagonalization=
procedure, what G=C3=B6del called a "miracle". G=C3=B6del accept=
ed Church's thesis only after his reading of Turing, who got it too of =
course.<br>
<br>
<br>
Bruno<br>
<br>
<br>
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/</p>
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font-family: Arial;
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text-decoration: none;
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border: none;
padding-right: 5px;
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display: block;
margin-bottom: 5px;
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text-decoration: none;
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blockquote {
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width: 72px;
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font-weight: 700;
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font-weight: 700;
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margin-bottom: 20px;
padding: 0px;
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text-decoration: none;
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font-size: 77%;
list-style-type: square;
padding: 6px 0;
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margin: 0;
padding: 0 0 0 8px;
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margin: 0 0 1em 0;
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font-size: 120%;
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border-right: none !important;=20
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