Re: Fwd: In manuscript copies, how to encode the date of origin of the original?

Sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick there.

John


On 06/02/2017 13:11, Mathias Müller wrote:
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> From: *Mathias Müller* <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Date: Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:10 PM
> Subject: Re: In manuscript copies, how to encode the date of origin of 
> the original?
> To: Franz Fischer <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Franz Fischer 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     If I didn't misunderstood Mathias the manuscript in question
>     (actually described) is a copy.
>
>
> Yes, exactly.
>
>     I agree "origin date" (of a copy) and "date of the original" (a
>     different manuscript) is confusing.
>     @type="copy" on <origDate> might help to avoid confusion:
>
>     <history>
>     <origin>
>     <origDate type="copy" when="1589"/>
>     <date type="original" when="1555"/>
>     </history>
>
>
> Thanks for your suggestions!
>
>
>     Franz
>
>
>     Am 06.02.2017 um 13:44 schrieb John T Young:
>>
>>     Shouldn't that be @type="copy"?
>>
>>     John
>>
>>
>>     On 06/02/2017 11:46, Franz Fischer wrote:
>>>     Dear Mathias,
>>>
>>>     How about this:
>>>
>>>     <history>
>>>     <origin>
>>>     <origDate>1589</origDate>
>>>     <date type="original">...</date>
>>>     </origin>
>>>     </history>
>>>
>>>     Best,
>>>     Franz
>>>
>>>     Am 06.02.2017 um 11:58 schrieb Mathias Müller:
>>>>     Dear all
>>>>
>>>>     We are TEI-encoding medieval law manuscripts, making use of all
>>>>     the elements of the "msdescription" module. I have a question
>>>>     about how to encode dates related to those manuscripts.
>>>>
>>>>     For original manuscripts, I have encoded the date as follows
>>>>     (showing only the relevant part of the header):
>>>>
>>>>     <sourceDesc>
>>>>     <msDesc>
>>>>     <msIdentifier>
>>>>     <repository>Sample Holdings</repository>
>>>>     <idno>ex12345</idno>
>>>>     </msIdentifier>
>>>>     <history>
>>>>     <origin>
>>>>     <origDate>1589</origDate>
>>>>     </origin>
>>>>     </history>
>>>>     </msDesc>
>>>>     </sourceDesc>
>>>>
>>>>     But for manuscripts that are /copies/ of older manuscripts, we
>>>>     have the following requirement: we need to encode both the date
>>>>     of origin of the copy and the date of origin of the original
>>>>     that the copy refers to. I am not sure how to encode both in
>>>>     the same header.
>>>>
>>>>     Hence my question:
>>>>
>>>>     While encoding a copy of an original manuscript, how to
>>>>     properly represent both the date of creation of the copy and
>>>>     the original manuscript? Both should be present in our TEI
>>>>     documents, but clearly separated from each other.
>>>>
>>>>     I am glad to give additional information if needed.
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks in advance and kind regards
>>>>     Mathias
>>>>     —
>>>>
>>>>     Mathias Müller
>>>>     AND-2-20
>>>>     Institute of Computational Linguistics
>>>>     University of Zurich
>>>>     Switzerland
>>>>     +41 44 635 75 81 <tel:+41%2044%20635%2075%2081>
>>>>     [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Dr. Franz Fischer
>>>     Cologne Center for eHumanities
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>     -- 
>     Dr. Franz Fischer
>     Cologne Center for eHumanities
>     Universität zu Köln, Universitätsstr. 22, D-50923 Köln
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