Re: Tulu-Tigalari digits and numerals

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Thanks for the link to the complete detailed proposal, I did not have it.
However, these digits and numerals seem to be already in modern use with
printed documents (or gaining back popularity, so the script is no longer
really "major extinct").

Le jeu. 4 juin 2026 =C3=A0 16:37, Peter Constable <[email protected]> a =C3=A9=
crit :

> This was reviewed last year at UTC #182 and the Script Encoding Working
> Group recommended no action at this time, based on a few factors includin=
g
> dependence on the Tulu-Tigalari proposal, L2/22-031, the authors of which
> recommendation more research. See the SEW recommendations to UTC #182 in
> L2/25-010 <https://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetDocumentLink?L2/25-010>.
>
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> Peter
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>
> *From:* Unicode <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Philipp=
e
> Verdy via Unicode
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2026 3:09 AM
> *To:* Unicode Public General Mail List <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: Tulu-Tigalari digits and numerals
>
>
>
> Also some other Tulu websites exhibit these digits, including in public
> signages:
>
>
>
> https://www.easytulu.com/p/tulu-lipi-alphabets.html
>
>
>
> Also why this proposal for these numerals was still not considered?
>
>
>
> https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2025/25020-tulu-tigalari-numerals.pdf
>
> (here the additional decimal digits, and numerals ten and one hundred,
> were proposed in a contiguous range 113F0-113FB instead of using the
> Kannada and Telugu blocks layout)
>
>
>
>
>
> Le mar. 2 juin 2026 =C3=A0 11:30, Philippe Verdy <[email protected]> a =C3=
=A9crit :
>
> Is there a reason for not encoding these Tulu-Tigalari digits (0 to 9) an=
d
> numerals (10, 100) ?
>
>
>
> Suggested code points in the Tulu-Tigalari block (U+11380-113FF, allocate=
d
> in Unicode 16.0).
>
>
>
> (1)  Using the same layout as in the Kannada block (U+0C80-0CFF) or the
> Telugu block (0C00-0C7F) for their decimal digits:
>
>
>
> 113E6...113EF: TULU-TIGALARI DIGIT ZERO...NINE
>
>
>
> (I'm not sure if we can give them the "decimal digit" character property:
> digit zero is apparently a later addition, when traditional numerals used
> specific multipliers for tens and hundreds, however the existence of zero
> is documented and visible in existing modern usage, and the two other
> numerals may be used in legacy numerals for integers 1 to 999,999)
>
>
>
> (2) Using additional numerals with the same layout as in the Telugu block
> (0C00-0C7F) for its additional fraction digits:
>
>
>
> 113F8: TULU-TIGALARI NUMERAL TEN
>
> 113F9: TULU-TIGALARI NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED
>
>
>
> Some images are listed in Wikimedia Commons (including an example in
> modern usage for a wedding invitation in Tulu, printed in the Kannada and
> Tulu-Tigalari script), and a few alphabet charts including these numerals=
:
>
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tulu-Tigalari_numerals
>
>
>
> One convincing point is that this appears in a *printed* document
> (intended for some sizable audience in the Tulu community and families),
> and that there may already existing fonts for them (even if they don't us=
e
> Unicode mappings), and not just a personal creation.
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for the link to the complete detailed proposal, I d=
id not have it. However, these digits and numerals seem to be already in mo=
dern use with printed documents (or gaining back popularity, so the script =
is no longer really &quot;major extinct&quot;).</div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Le=C2=
=A0jeu. 4 juin 2026 =C3=A0=C2=A016:37, Peter Constable &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg3734443897350=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This was reviewed last year at UTC #182 and the Scri=
pt Encoding Working Group recommended no action at this time, based on a fe=
w factors including dependence on the Tulu-Tigalari proposal, L2/22-031, th=
e authors of which recommendation
 more research. See the SEW recommendations to UTC #182 in <a href=3D"https=
://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetDocumentLink?L2/25-010" target=3D"_blank">
L2/25-010</a>.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Peter<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;b=
order-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif"> Unicode &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Philippe Verdy via Unicode<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 2, 2026 3:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Unicode Public General Mail List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:unicode@c=
orp.unicode.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Tulu-Tigalari digits and numerals<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also some other Tulu websites exhibit these digits, =
including in public signages:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.easytulu.com/p/tulu-lipi-alph=
abets.html" target=3D"_blank">https://www.easytulu.com/p/tulu-lipi-alphabet=
s.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also why this proposal for these numerals was still =
not considered?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2025/25020-tu=
lu-tigalari-numerals.pdf" target=3D"_blank">https://www.unicode.org/L2/L202=
5/25020-tulu-tigalari-numerals.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(here the additional decimal digits, and numerals te=
n and one hundred, were proposed in a contiguous range 113F0-113FB instead =
of using the Kannada and Telugu blocks layout)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Le=C2=A0mar. 2 juin 2026 =C3=A0=C2=A011:30, Philippe=
 Verdy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">verdyp@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:non=
e none none solid;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is there a reason for not encoding these Tulu-Tigala=
ri digits (0 to 9) and numerals (10, 100) ?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Suggested code points in the Tulu-Tigalari block (U+=
11380-113FF, allocated in Unicode 16.0).<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(1)=C2=A0 Using the same layout as in the Kannada bl=
ock (U+0C80-0CFF) or the Telugu block (0C00-0C7F) for their decimal digits:=
<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">113E6...113EF: TULU-TIGALARI DIGIT ZERO...NINE<u></u=
><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(I&#39;m not sure if we can give them the &quot;deci=
mal digit&quot; character property: digit zero is apparently a later additi=
on, when traditional numerals used specific multipliers for tens and hundre=
ds, however the existence of zero is documented
 and visible in existing modern usage, and the two other numerals may be us=
ed in legacy numerals for integers 1 to 999,999)<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(2) Using additional numerals with the same layout a=
s in the Telugu block (0C00-0C7F) for its additional fraction digits:<u></u=
><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">113F8: TULU-TIGALARI NUMERAL TEN<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">113F9: TULU-TIGALARI NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some images are listed in Wikimedia Commons (includi=
ng an example in modern usage for a wedding invitation in Tulu, printed in =
the Kannada and=C2=A0 Tulu-Tigalari script), and a few alphabet charts incl=
uding these numerals:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Catego=
ry:Tulu-Tigalari_numerals" target=3D"_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/=
wiki/Category:Tulu-Tigalari_numerals</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">One convincing point is that this appears in a *prin=
ted* document (intended for some sizable audience in the Tulu community and=
 families), and that there may already existing fonts for them (even if the=
y don&#39;t use Unicode mappings), and
 not just a personal creation.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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