RE: Tulu-Tigalari digits and numerals
Peter Constable via Unicode <[email protected]> Thu, 4 Jun 2026 14:37:53 +0000
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--_000_PH0P221MB9967891CF7611B22AD8981960C86102PH0P221MB996789_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This was reviewed last year at UTC #182 and the Script Encoding Working Gro= up recommended no action at this time, based on a few factors including dep= endence on the Tulu-Tigalari proposal, L2/22-031, the authors of which reco= mmendation more research. See the SEW recommendations to UTC #182 in L2/25-= 010<https://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetDocumentLink?L2/25-010>. Peter From: Unicode <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Philippe Verd= y via Unicode Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2026 3:09 AM To: Unicode Public General Mail List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Tulu-Tigalari digits and numerals Also some other Tulu websites exhibit these digits, including in public sig= nages: https://www.easytulu.com/p/tulu-lipi-alphabets.html Also why this proposal for these numerals was still not considered? https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2025/25020-tulu-tigalari-numerals.pdf (here the additional decimal digits, and numerals ten and one hundred, were= proposed in a contiguous range 113F0-113FB instead of using the Kannada an= d Telugu blocks layout) Le mar. 2 juin 2026 =E0 11:30, Philippe Verdy <[email protected]<mailto:verd= [email protected]>> a =E9crit : Is there a reason for not encoding these Tulu-Tigalari digits (0 to 9) and = numerals (10, 100) ? Suggested code points in the Tulu-Tigalari block (U+11380-113FF, allocated = in Unicode 16.0). (1) Using the same layout as in the Kannada block (U+0C80-0CFF) or the Tel= ugu block (0C00-0C7F) for their decimal digits: 113E6...113EF: TULU-TIGALARI DIGIT ZERO...NINE (I'm not sure if we can give them the "decimal digit" character property: d= igit zero is apparently a later addition, when traditional numerals used sp= ecific multipliers for tens and hundreds, however the existence of zero is = documented and visible in existing modern usage, and the two other numerals= may be used in legacy numerals for integers 1 to 999,999) (2) Using additional numerals with the same layout as in the Telugu block (= 0C00-0C7F) for its additional fraction digits: 113F8: TULU-TIGALARI NUMERAL TEN 113F9: TULU-TIGALARI NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED Some images are listed in Wikimedia Commons (including an example in modern= usage for a wedding invitation in Tulu, printed in the Kannada and Tulu-T= igalari script), and a few alphabet charts including these numerals: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tulu-Tigalari_numerals One convincing point is that this appears in a *printed* document (intended= for some sizable audience in the Tulu community and families), and that th= ere may already existing fonts for them (even if they don't use Unicode map= pings), and not just a personal creation. --_000_PH0P221MB9967891CF7611B22AD8981960C86102PH0P221MB996789_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Aptos;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;} @page WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:brea= k-word"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">This was reviewed last year at UTC #182 and the Scri= pt Encoding Working Group recommended no action at this time, based on a fe= w factors including dependence on the Tulu-Tigalari proposal, L2/22-031, th= e authors of which recommendation more research. See the SEW recommendations to UTC #182 in <a href=3D"https= ://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetDocumentLink?L2/25-010"> L2/25-010</a>.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Peter<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"= ;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;= font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Unicode <unicode-bounces@co= rp.unicode.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Philippe Verdy via Unicode<br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 2, 2026 3:09 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Unicode Public General Mail List <[email protected]>= ;<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: Tulu-Tigalari digits and numerals<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also some other Tulu websites exhibit these digits, = including in public signages:<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.easytulu.com/p/tulu-lipi-alph= abets.html">https://www.easytulu.com/p/tulu-lipi-alphabets.html</a><o:p></o= :p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also why this proposal for these numerals was still = not considered?<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2025/25020-tu= lu-tigalari-numerals.pdf">https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2025/25020-tulu-tigal= ari-numerals.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">(here the additional decimal digits, and numerals te= n and one hundred, were proposed in a contiguous range 113F0-113FB instead = of using the Kannada and Telugu blocks layout)<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Le mar. 2 juin 2026 =E0 11:30, Philippe Ve= rdy <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> a =E9c= rit :<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i= n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is there a reason for not encoding these Tulu-Tigala= ri digits (0 to 9) and numerals (10, 100) ?<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Suggested code points in the Tulu-Tigalari block (U+= 11380-113FF, allocated in Unicode 16.0).<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">(1) Using the same layout as in the Kannada bl= ock (U+0C80-0CFF) or the Telugu block (0C00-0C7F) for their decimal digits:= <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">113E6...113EF: TULU-TIGALARI DIGIT ZERO...NINE<o:p><= /o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">(I'm not sure if we can give them the "decimal = digit" character property: digit zero is apparently a later addition, = when traditional numerals used specific multipliers for tens and hundreds, = however the existence of zero is documented and visible in existing modern usage, and the two other numerals may be us= ed in legacy numerals for integers 1 to 999,999)<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">(2) Using additional numerals with the same layout a= s in the Telugu block (0C00-0C7F) for its additional fraction digits:<o:p><= /o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">113F8: TULU-TIGALARI NUMERAL TEN<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">113F9: TULU-TIGALARI NUMERAL ONE HUNDRED<o:p></o:p><= /p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some images are listed in Wikimedia Commons (includi= ng an example in modern usage for a wedding invitation in Tulu, printed in = the Kannada and Tulu-Tigalari script), and a few alphabet charts incl= uding these numerals:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Catego= ry:Tulu-Tigalari_numerals" target=3D"_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/= wiki/Category:Tulu-Tigalari_numerals</a><o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">One convincing point is that this appears in a *prin= ted* document (intended for some sizable audience in the Tulu community and= families), and that there may already existing fonts for them (even if the= y don't use Unicode mappings), and not just a personal creation.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_PH0P221MB9967891CF7611B22AD8981960C86102PH0P221MB996789_--