Re: [PDO] PDO 2: Request for Comments

On 25.01.2008, at 20:30, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:

>> Well I must say that the ZF CLA is horribly worded on the patent  
>> side and the bulk of people who signed it signed it because they  
>> trusted certain key people to not make them sign something evil. I  
>> consider the patent clause of the ZF CLA to be evil. So my  
>> conclusion is that those people who did sign should have tried to  
>> read and understand the CLA themselves. Now for the case of php  
>> core, you will find that much fewer people will be "blindly"  
>> signing it, because there are more people speaking up about the  
>> flip side of CLA's. The ethics of making people sign something like  
>> the ZF CLA on the false pretense that there is nothing to worry  
>> about "because evil patent trolls never go after lonely devs" is  
>> another story.
>
> You of course are entitled to your own opinion about what is good  
> and what is evil. However implying that people that do not agree  
> with you on evilness of CLA are just stupid and aren't really able  
> to read and understand things and didn't even try to read it is not  
> very nice.

Well I talked to many people who signed it and few knew what they had  
signed. I put both representatives from Zend and eZ on the spot in  
Frankfurt and neither of them could really explain the CLA to me,  
especially in regards to patents. None of them are lawyers and neither  
am I. So most people just sign this thing because they assume that  
neither Zend nor eZ would ask them to sign something questionable.  
Lets not call this "stupid", but it definitely qualifies as "naiv".

regards,
Lukas