Re: OpenGL 3.0

It seems it's the lurkers' day today.

The new driver framework used on free OSes, Gallium, could be of
interest here. Basically it's divided into 3 parts: The hardware part,
the OS part and the lib frontend (ie OGL). So, assuming someone would be
interested - I think it would be possible to write a windows part for
the Gallium drivers. IIRC the newest ATI drivers, as well as the Noveau
effort is implemented this way (and Intel?). Also, this would make it
possible to build an OGL ES frontend to the hardware too.

Obviously this wouldn't support the newest nVidia cards right away, but
with Intel and AMD/ATI being good with documentation - but I suppose
having a free OGL driver for windows might raise the incentive for
nVidia to open up a bit.

/Filip

Dan Partelly skrev:
>>> And I still remember an   nVidia exec (forget who) at CGDC holding a=20
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>>> extension spec and telling the room they 'weren't going to keep doing=
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>>> this forever'.
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> Indeed, but they did so far , as opposed to ATI who practically doesnt =
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> a shit about OpenGL. No extensions to expose advanced functionality of =
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> serious bugs in GL drivers and the list can continue. So from this poin=
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> view Nvidia >> ATI. And it was one of the reasons I always told ppl not=
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> buy any kind of ATI products and many have listened, thanks god.
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> Its understandable Nvidia doesnt want to do that forever, after all its=
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> great money sunk, especially when ARB keeps talking and failing to deli=
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> What better money sink you want that endless talks and wasted time ?
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> ARB should wake up from his slumber before it too late.
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>> Delurking here to respond to this - I've always loved OpenGL, and our=20
>> current prototype is implemented using GL, or more specifically CGFX o=
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>> GL.  What I've seen of 3.0 has added hiring a DirectX programmer to my=
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>> plans for next year.  Its pretty obvious the ARB [still] doesn't care =
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>> for the game industry.
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>> That said, the idea of forking GL as OGL-ES + DX10 features sounds lik=
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>> great model to keep GL as a viable cross platform game API.  The main=20
>> problem would be getting nVidia and ATI on board, which is complicated=
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>> their ARB ties and the reasonable expectations of strong pushback from=
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>> ARB and Microsoft.  From a business side, ATI and nVidia would have a =
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>> time justifying supporting the effort, as they already have a sizable =
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>> investment in GL and DirectX drivers.  Seems like a chicken and egg=20
>> problem - how to justify writing the (closed source) drivers for a mar=
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>> that doesn't exist yet. > Jon Mayo wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:30 AM, Sylvain Vignaud <[email protected]> wro=
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>>> Partelly wrote:>>>>>> =EF=BB=BF yeah right, Truth is, OpenGl is butch=
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>>> slowly.>>>> Well, agreed.>> But Bill's post explicitly said that he k=
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>>> _some_ think OpenGL is dead>> and all the snuff ... in order to avoid=
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>>> those kind of replies not to call>> for them.>> All my post was about=
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>>> support my point.>> And my previous message about OGL-ES was serious =
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>>> only need this> interface plus some addition/extension to match D3D10=
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>>> feature set and to> get rid of the obsolete calls. It wou!
>> ld!
>>>   probably be an easier start for lots> of people, driver-makers woul=
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>>> the ARB stop discussing forever in> closed committee, telling one thi=
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>>> that. =3D(>>> ----- FAQ and OpenGL Resources at:>=20
>>> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hills/9956/OpenGL>> --> Author=
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>>> Sylvain Vignaud>  INET: [email protected]>
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>>> about in a project called "gameBoXlinux" and "MyOS x-less".
>>> -- Jon Mayo<[email protected]>
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