Re: Zero-tolerance educational methods for promoting questionable policies???

On Tue, 4 May 2004, Axel Thimm wrote:

> On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 11:11:46AM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> > On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 10:25, Oscar A. Valdez wrote:
> > 
> > > It is in the Fedora community's best interest for you two to cooperate.
> > > I'm pleading with you to set aside any animosity, and to talk things out
> > > in the generous, smart spirit that characterizes both of you.
> > 
> > Yes, please - and if the problem lies in backwards compatibility with
> > prior conventions where any change forces existing users to download
> > too much, would it be possible to make a new repository that would
> > be maintained in parallel for a while?
> 
> The discussion is about Dag blessing a scheme as a standard and
> forcing other repos to either go with his scheme, or not be
> coexistable. Technically speaking he is obsoleting other people's
> packages.

Mind you that you're still messing things up. First of all, the versioning 
of the kernel-modules is *still* not decided. Both Matthias (freshrpms) 
and myself are not convinced about putting kernel-version and 
kernel-release in the package name.

I understand there's no other alternative than the one proposed, except 
changing apt and yum or a seperate tool. And both Panu and Seth, iirc, 
didn't like that idea.

Both Matthias and I have objected to it because it is counter-intuitive, 
confusing and just plain ugly. Contrary to what you may think, I don't 
object to the idea technically.


However the issue here is the naming of kernel modules (almost everybody 
agreed on using kernel-module-<name> for kernel modules and <name>-utils 
for extra module-specific utilities). I'll make a list of repositories 
with kernel-modules:

	kernel-module-<name>:
		freshrpms (1 package)
		dag (22 packages)
		fedora.us (2 official, more non-official)

	<name>-kmdl:
		atrpms (8 packages)

	<name>-kernel
		planetccrma (1 package)


Axel likes to badmouth me, and he's done a good job today by trying to 
isolate me. I don't see how that would help in resolving any outstanding 
issues. If you look at the latest posts in a reply to me, you'll notice 
how he keeps repeating the slander, even when I remove them in my reply.

I'm trying very hard to ignore all the insinuations and false accusations, 
but once every 5 messages he succeeded in persuading me to reply and
correct the situation, if that's still possible. Things like that make it 
really hard to even try to work together with Axel. That's what I called 
public harrassment before. (Look at the subject alone) If you disagree and 
want to resolve issues, that's not what you do.


I'll make it very simple, if Axel adheres to the kernel-module-naming 
standard and you can convince Matthias about the kernel-module-versioning, 
I'll implement the kernel versioning too.


PS This is the last mail I'm sending about this issue, we've discussed 
this on the fedora.us and on the repo-coord ml over and over again and I'm 
simply not interested in another discussion with the same arguments if 
they are simply ignored/twisted.

--   dag wieers,  [email protected],  http://dag.wieers.com/   --
[Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors]